Can You Prevent A Thought?

[Ayla]

Please ask yourself carefully. No room for jokes or sloppiness  here. Really sit down and see for yourself. Try to predict the next thought. Is there a YOU there, doing the thinking? Just calmly sit down and look. 

Can you prevent the thought that you are hungry? 

Can you prevent the thought that there is a You doing the thinking? 

"Here I am!" Can YOU prevent that thought? At all? If that is a Thought, who is the thinker of it? Is it you? Both the thinker and the thought? 

Sit down. Close eyes. Breathe. Prevent a thought. ANY thought. 

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I'd like to ask for any and all to not post quotes or ideas or videos of any master or book. I'm looking for direct experiences here. Personal ones. 

Only express what comes. 

 

[Mal]

7 minutes ago, Ayla said:

Please ask yourself carefully. No room for jokes or sloppiness  here. Really sit down and see for yourself. Try to predict the next thought. Is there a YOU there, doing the thinking? Just calmly sit down and look. 

Can you prevent the thought that you are hungry? 

Can you prevent the thought that there is a You doing the thinking? 

"Here I am!" Can YOU prevent that thought? At all? If that is a Thought, who is the thinker of it? Is it you? Both the thinker and the thought? 

Sit down. Close eyes. Breathe. Prevent a thought. ANY thought. 

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I'd like to ask for any and all to not post quotes or ideas or videos of any master or book. I'm looking for direct experiences here. Personal ones. 

Only express what comes. 

 

Nope. Could not find a thinker.  

Next question please!

(I know you requested "no jokes", but I apologise, there is nobody here to stop it!)

Edited May 30, 2016 by Mal

[Ayla]

17 minutes ago, Mal said:

Next question please!

When you look in the mirror, do you think that is you?  

If so, prevent that thought! YOU prevent it! 

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I intend this post to HELP people that are serious about transcending the self.

Of course, there is nobody there to joke about it. There is nobody there to give any applause or judgement to the Joker either!

[Mal]

@Ayla The joke was a fine pointing out instruction.  Intended as an invitation for the integration of energy explosion after the lid of the oppressive self self comes off. 

I'm not aware of needing any applause or judgement.  So you're going to have to take credit for this deficiency shackle you imagine you got rid of long ago. 

Regards 

Mal 
 

[Ayla]

10 minutes ago, Mal said:

@Ayla The joke was a fine pointing out instruction.  Intended as an invitation for the integration of energy explosion after the lid of the oppressive self self comes off. 

I'm not aware of needing any applause or judgement.  So you're going to have to take credit for this deficiency shackle you imagine you got rid of long ago. 

Regards 

Mal 
 

I do. Whomever I might be......... 

[Primeval]

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Can You Prevent A Thought?

Yes

[Salaam]

Yup, I've been able to do that for years, it's no biggie. Thinking isn't that big of a deal when you can work directly with the chemical/energetic pattern it's derived from.

The real trick is doing it in the right way, so your level of self-restraint isn't oppressive. Self-control shouldn't be like a hammer, you have to lead up to a softer touch.

Every pattern has an integrity of shape and fidelity of expression that should be sheltered, for better health.



 

[Elton]

@Ayla i usef to think that I could prevent thoughts for few seconds but my brain labels see hear and feel when I try doing it,but I still think that I can prevent thoughts for 2-3 seconds. 

[Naviy]

What I've noticed through my ovservations.

We usually tend to think that "I have created this thought" or "I have guided the stream of thoughts in this or that direction", etc.

We also tend to believe that there is some kind of will ("my will") that has limited capability to change, create and stop thoughts, and to control emotions and body. Sometimes this will succeeds to change thoughts and sometimes it does not.

However, you sense both the thought and the will to stop the thought only after they both have appeared. You sense the will to move your finger only when it is already here. You cannot sense the will to do something before it has already appeared. Any kind of successfull or failed attempt of will to change a thought you see only after it has already happened.

But from where the will to change a thought appears? Who makes it appear?

We are used to identify with the sense of will. It is something that is absolutely "ours". But who controls will? Who triggers this or that kind of will to appear?

When I was doing some self inquiry, I've noticed that will appears from nowhere, just like thoughts, and also, with this will also appears a very familiar sense of identification with it. Will and the sense of identification with it appear almost simultaniously. This is why we tend to believe that "I have some will that can try to control thoughts and body". But both will and sense of identification appear from nowhere, they just become. Then a stream of thoughts may appear also, which will say that "A will to move my finger appeared because I wanted to scratch my ear" and it can go further and further with explanations. But how did this stream of thoughts appear? From nowhere, with no reason too.

We believe that sometimes thoughts appear without our will, and sometimes the will triggers a thought to appear or to change or to stop. But if you are observant enought, you will see that everything appear by itself - thoughts, will, emotions, intentions. Even the sense that: "This is my will, and it changes this thought right now, see? I move my will to lay on bed right now. I move my will to think about an elephant right now". This sense appears also by itself, from nowhere. I can't even say that it appears "from nowhere", it just becomes, it just is, and then there are other things and other things.

[charlie2dogs]

On 5/30/2016 at 3:59 PM, Ayla said:

Please ask yourself carefully. No room for jokes or sloppiness  here. Really sit down and see for yourself. Try to predict the next thought. Is there a YOU there, doing the thinking? Just calmly sit down and look. 

Can you prevent the thought that you are hungry? 

Can you prevent the thought that there is a You doing the thinking? 

"Here I am!" Can YOU prevent that thought? At all? If that is a Thought, who is the thinker of it? Is it you? Both the thinker and the thought? 

Sit down. Close eyes. Breathe. Prevent a thought. ANY thought. 

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I'd like to ask for any and all to not post quotes or ideas or videos of any master or book. I'm looking for direct experiences here. Personal ones. 

Only express what comes. 

 

a thought without a belief has no power but a thought with a belief can start a war.  When one functions as the observer only, you have the power to give life to a thought or simply turn away and allow it to cease to be.  This only happens in the moment of life, when you are present in that moment as the event arises.

[Elton]

On 30/05/2016 at 1:29 AM, Ayla said:

Please ask yourself carefully. No room for jokes or sloppiness  here. Really sit down and see for yourself. Try to predict the next thought. Is there a YOU there, doing the thinking? Just calmly sit down and look. 

Can you prevent the thought that you are hungry? 

Can you prevent the thought that there is a You doing the thinking? 

"Here I am!" Can YOU prevent that thought? At all? If that is a Thought, who is the thinker of it? Is it you? Both the thinker and the thought? 

Sit down. Close eyes. Breathe. Prevent a thought. ANY thought. 

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I'd like to ask for any and all to not post quotes or ideas or videos of any master or book. I'm looking for direct experiences here. Personal ones. 

Only express what come. 

This thought came in my mind when I read your post again the image of me typing with my feet ' hi ' thats what I will have to do to tell you Enlightened guys that I exist !  who,  who, who is typing this???  My hands are not doing it automatically, my eyes and hands are doing it with the controller which is the brain. And I am controlling the brain. See I will write r 4 times r r r e, who did not want to do what he said he would do?  it was this entity here?  Who is feeling frustrated this entity over here¡!

[Ayla]

@Elton Of course it feels like that. But if you truly leave the childishness behind and really look, you'll really begin to wonder if there is a you there controlling what comes. Can you actually come up with what thought you will have in 2 minutes? If you were able to pick your thoughts, would you ever pick a negative one? 

What tells you that there's a YOU/entity there having a thought? Another thought? 

[Elton]

My rational mind tells me that that was an ego defence mechanism. I'm sorry about that but I can't understand the concept of no self I don't put in enlightenment work but I do meditation work... I will start working on enlightenment too but maybe later after I find my life purpose.. 

[Ayla]

1 minute ago, Elton said:

My rational mind tells me that that was an ego defence mechanism. I'm sorry about that but I can't understand the concept of no self I don't put in enlightenment work but I do meditation work... I will start working on enlightenment too but maybe later after I find my life purpose.. 

Mind can't understand "no-self" - I'd say thank God - cause stupid people won't stand a chance would they?  

All that's needed is focused observation and honesty. Really looking at what is NOW and leaving behind concepts.

[Elton]

31 minutes ago, Ayla said:

Mind can't understand "no-self" - I'd say thank God - cause stupid people won't stand a chance would they?  

All that's needed is focused observation and honesty. Really looking at what is NOW and leaving behind concepts.

okay will keep you posted on this , tomorrow my meditation will be about focused observation and leaving behind concepts, now i will rest and enjoy abundance hypnosis .. 

[Elton]

I observed that I have no control over my thoughts I experienced this first hand today. 

 

16 hours ago, Ayla said:

All that's needed is focused observation and honesty. 

[Elton]

But actions, I have control of... 

[Ayla]

9 minutes ago, Elton said:

But actions, I have control of... 

Are you sure? (You...?!?!) 

Isn't it more that actions are a form of extension of a thought combined with another thought that says "I have done this" ?  

[charlie2dogs]

1 hour ago, Elton said:

But actions, I have control of... 

do you really, i suspect not, your actions are dictated by what you have been programed with, what you believe, and what your perception of life is, created by those two things.  as the human identity, you just think you are in control, it is never so as a human being,  The human identity has never experienced the free will to choose, its choices are dictated from the above three things, when this is understood real growth can begin.

[Mal]

@Elton

Elton, think about the following for a moment,

Not as a philosophy but just contemplate this:

Next time you decide to do something, anything, like speak, get up and walk around, anything, consider that before "you" made the decision to do any of these things your body already decided a split second before you had the thought.

Neuroscience has confirmed this is the case.  So no need to look for scientific evidence of enlightenment. 

What's left to ponder?

Who is this "me" that thinks it's making all these choices?

Think about this for a while. 

Edited June 3, 2016 by Mal