Chilean Dictatorship red blue or orange?

[Yidaki]

Hi Everyone:

I am from Chile and I've been thinking about the dictatorship there was in Chile in 1973 (power taken by Pinochet). It lasted more than 17 years. Like many other dictatorships in Latin America, there was military oppression and violence and massive killings of dissidents, which seems pretty Red (Spiral Dynamics). Also, the values that were promoted had to do with being a good hard-working catholic citizen (BLue) and also, this was the context where economic neoliberalism was implemented (very orange). My question is:

Which do you think is the predominant value in such a context, as an attempt to determine what stage of spiral dynamics is the predominant one that most represents this social and political scenario?

[Leo Gura]

Red/Blue

All of South America (especially back in the 20th century) was not yet at solid Orange.

Remember, it's easy to tap a bit into a higher stage like Orange. It's a lot harder to become solid in that stage. South America is still deeply Blue. They got a lot of work to do to reach solid Orange.

You have to be careful to distinguish pockets of Orange in elite neighborhoods within developed cities vs the bulk of the country, which is rural, poor, or underdeveloped. The stage of a country cannot be judged by its peak elite neighborhoods in its biggest cities. You need to take a representative sample all around the country. It's too easy to cherrypick a few advanced neighborhoods while the rest of the country is an underdeveloped swamp.

Beverly Hills, San Francisco, and NYC are not an accurate measure of the development level of average Americans.

[whatishappeningtome]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Red/Blue

All of South America (especially back in the 20th century) was not yet at solid Orange.

Remember, it's easy to tap a bit into a higher stage like Orange. It's a lot harder to become solid in that stage. South America is still deeply Blue. They got a lot of work to do to reach solid Orange.

You have to be careful to distinguish pockets of Orange in elite neighborhoods within developed cities vs the bulk of the country, which is rural, poor, or underdeveloped. The stage of a country cannot be judged by its peak elite neighborhoods in its biggest cities. You need to take a representative sample all around the country. It's too easy to cherrypick a few advanced neighborhoods while the rest of the country is an underdeveloped swamp.

Beverly Hills, San Francisco, and NYC are not an accurate measure of the development level of average Americans.

Best highlighted by rich gated communities in Phillipines + South Africa and probably many more developing countries

[roar]

@whatishappeningtome Aha..So gated communities are a developing-countries-thing not needed in developed countries?   

[roar]

@Yidaki You DO know who mr. Pinochet was working for?  What stage of the spiral did they represent?  And have they advanced in the spiral yet?

[Yidaki]

 

 

 

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On 11/1/2019 at 6:10 PM, roar said:

@Yidaki You DO know who mr. Pinochet was working for?  What stage of the spiral did they represent?  And have they advanced in the spiral yet?

I Think He was working for himself and the richest and most powerful people of the country. Also, he got support from the American CIA to kick off  the previous socialist government and implement a neoliberalist economy in Chile as an experimental lab .

The other couple of questions I don't feel confident to answer them, but seem to have mainly blue values