Awakening and understanding

[Identity]

This keeps tripping me up.

So, I’ve become aware that consciousness/awakening is prior to the mind. Yet the mind is always there interpreting and making sense of things.

There also seems to be some relationship between understanding and awakening. I mean, Leo’s hour long videos on Truth are not just a bunch of random words sticking together. They do somehow resonate more with Truth, or help to point at it than other beliefs/thoughts.

Where does this understanding come from? It seems to me that the mind somehow aligns with God. As if, when consciousness is allowed to flow through it somehow formulates images that make sense in some way.

Leo used this metaphor before of lego blocks forming a larger lego block when it comes to love. That form somehow reflects God. I than proposed that the same metaphor could work for understanding.

What is the mechanism behind understanding, especially when it comes to understanding Absolute?

Sometimes when I am writing, mostly on paper, its like my hand is just making notes, writing down insights that seem so accurate and effortless.

How do you make sense of sense making? ?

[Nickyy]

@Identity You said it yourself. Consciousness is prior to the mind. The mind can never understand it, you can only feel it as a reality for you. It's unmistakable, freedom from fear and baggage of the past is a good description. But ultimately your only path is a direct path using meditation. You don't even have to sit to meditate. Just notice a thought, accept it fully without reservation, and then continue to bring your attention into the present moment. Keep doing that and the absolute will reveal itself 

[Inliytened1]

@Identity

2 hours ago, Identity said:

This keeps tripping me up.

So, I’ve become aware that consciousness/awakening is prior to the mind. Yet the mind is always there interpreting and making sense 

How do you make sense of sense making? ?

In a sense because you ARE the Absolute - you are the whole but you are also the part.  But right now in your finite form you are the part trying to make sense of the whole.  Paradoxically as the part, you are also the whole simultaneously.  In fact the two are the same - or One.  The whole is the formless (pure Being) and the part is the form - ie thought, understanding, and rationality.

So it is as if you are trying to make sense of yourself from yourself.   The finger is trying to point back at itself but it can't because it IS itself!

 

Edited October 31, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Nahm]

The ‘trouble’ here is the belief there is some thing to understand and one who understands things; one which is ‘separate of intelligence / understanding’ itself. Consciousness / awareness is being / self, aware of thoughts, and the thoughts are consciousness-awareness-being-self. The feeling of understanding is knowing, knowing is being, being is knowing. One thought, implies what is aware of the thoughts, is someone other than the awareness which is also the thought - someone who understands things (and thoughts are ‘things’).

It’s a funny ‘thing’, the understanding of understanding (not really a ‘thing’). One is either seeking to be understood, or is understanding of this, knowing of Self / Truth. Similarly, one is looking for love, or loving. They’re interchangeable, as they are one, being. You can readily see the ‘facets’ ‘in the movie’, in people. Someone you know, ‘knows’ being best (feels the love) in loving. Someone you know, ‘knows’ being best in understanding (feels the knowing). Someone you know, ‘knows’ being best (feels the peace) in peaceful presence (might have dubbed them ‘laid back’). Look for the facets of being in the essence of people, unseeable & unhearable, but felt, prior to personality, and yet constructive of personality (movie / screen) etc. 

Understanding, peace, & love are natures of being, and are inseparable, interchangeably actual and relative, or, ‘movie & screen’. Every one is either looking for love, or being / loving, and every one is either looking to be understood, or is being / understanding. One can feel love, simply in understanding, or in appreciation of being understood, and one who gives love, is readily understood by any one.  

You could look up the definition of understanding, and notice that isn’t actually understanding, the actual understanding is occurring ‘within you’. Also, that actually is understanding. 

Understanding is so sneaky, because there’s no sneakery going on there. 

[Eu Sint]

17 hours ago, Identity said:

It seems to me that the mind somehow aligns with God. As if, when consciousness is allowed to flow through it somehow formulates images that make sense in some way.

 .You have too many separations in your understanding. Mind, consciousness, God. All these are just one.You cannot know yourself through the mind, because the mind is an object, an instrument by which you know and therefore You must transcend the mind, to go beyond it. An object cannot knew itself.When you are aware that there is a mind, by reflection then realize that you are consciousness.You become aware of your own consciousness.?