Question's from Leo's retreat notes

[MusicalPotato]

From Leo's retreat notes, he asked several questions that can be used to determine someone's "level of enlightenment" or something to that extent.

 

 

 

 

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Many spiritual teachers who I looked up to and thought were fully awake, I now suspect are not fully awake. But I cannot know for sure and I don't want to speculate or slander. This doesn't make them bad, or wrong, or liars. It just means that full awakening is very difficult and very rare. Don't just assume your teacher, guru, or master is fully awake. You have to grill them on the degree of their awakening (which they will not take kindly to) and the deeper problem is, as an unawakened student you are in a terrible position to evaluate the degree of wakefulness of teachers. Hence so much misunderstanding, debate, and confusion. Hence so few people fully awaken.
     The easiest way to determine if someone is fully awake is to ask them:

        ◦ What is God? Are you God? How does God create?
        ◦ Why does anything exist at all?
        ◦ Why is reality the way that it is?
        ◦ If they do not have clear, precisely answers to all of these questions, be very suspicious. If they try to dismiss these questions as invalid or impossible to answer, be very suspicious. If they try to dismiss these questions as part of the ego-mind's desire to know, be very suspicious. These questions have real answers. "

 

I'll give you my answers/conclusions and I would like you to give me yours. 

        ◦ What is God?

Reality is God, Everything is God, Nothing is God, and I am God.

Are you God?

I am God, I am also myself, as well as nothing and not myself. I am Self I guess.

How does God create?

No clue, God is infinite, if I knew how God created I would be using that power, but that is my limited Ego mind perspective. If I had to guess I would say God creates by thinking. I create my own opinions by thinking them, I create my own disagreements by identifying with certain perspectives. Why should the way God creates be any different? God probably thinks "There shall be rocks" and makes rocks. We have God's infinite power in our dreams as ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE INSIDE OF YOUR MIND. You can commit mass murder with your thoughts without even breathing the word gun, or owning one.

        ◦ Why does anything exist at all?

My guess, God is bored and loves (it? him? her? them? I seriously don't know) Self.

        ◦ Why is reality the way that it is?

It just is, I have no clue. It could be any other way but it turned out just like this. And that is enough for me. (But a deeper answer would be fine by me).

 

I also feel like there can be people who are "less awakened" that have a higher degree of understanding and insight into the truth than others who are "More awakened". I have hazy memories from my childhood where I felt more in control and like I just understood certain things from a very deep ingrained perspective. Probably leftover from when I was not in a human form, just consciousness. I couldn't tell you what they are, just that I had them and they left an impression on me. Eternity is not long, it is "over" in a nanosecond. When there is nothing, there is no passage of time.

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How would Leo answer these questions and can he answer all of these questions?

[Nak Khid]

13 hours ago, MusicalPotato said:

From Leo's retreat notes, he asked several questions that can be used to determine someone's "level of enlightenment" or something to that extent.

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" Many spiritual teachers who I looked up to and thought were fully awake, I now suspect are not fully awake. But I cannot know for sure and I don't want to speculate or slander. This doesn't make them bad, or wrong, or liars. It just means that full awakening is very difficult and very rare. Don't just assume your teacher, guru, or master is fully awake. You have to grill them on the degree of their awakening (which they will not take kindly to) and the deeper problem is, as an unawakened student you are in a terrible position to evaluate the degree of wakefulness of teachers. Hence so much misunderstanding, debate, and confusion. Hence so few people fully awaken.
     The easiest way to determine if someone is fully awake is to ask them:

        ◦ What is God? Are you God?
         ◦ How does God create?
        ◦ Why does anything exist at all?
        ◦ Why is reality the way that it is?
        ◦ If they do not have clear, precisely answers to all of these questions, be very suspicious. If they try to dismiss these questions as invalid or impossible to answer, be very suspicious. If they try to dismiss these questions as part of the ego-mind's desire to know, be very suspicious. These questions have real answers. "

1) God does not exist
2) there is no reason for existence
3) there is no reason reality is the way it is.

Enlightenment comes out of accepting these things
and that takes constant practice

Enlightenment is to accept that reality does not have answers to give you

What makes a person's life meaningful?   Creating, experiencing and helping others
Reasons are what we create

 

 

[MusicalPotato]

5 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

1) God does not exist
2) there is no reason for existence
3) there is no reason reality is the way it is.

Enlightenment comes out of accepting these things
and that takes constant practice

Enlightenment is to accept that reality does not have answers to give you

What makes a person's life meaningful?   Creating, experiencing and helping others
Reasons are what we create

 

 

1( God does not exist )

I thought that the only thing I can ever possibly know for sure, is that God does exist (and I am it) , because I can say the words "I think, therefore, I am".

2( there is no reason for existence )

God must have one, and its okay if that reason is just "for shits and giggle" which is basically no reason at all, but you get my point.

3(there is no reason reality is the way it is)

Reality could be ANY way and it is THIS way. If creation is real this is all meticulously designed (by me) and that is what I understood enlightenment to be.