Excess of Stage Green (Copyright Example)

[Extreme Z7]

Stumbled upon this video series advocating for complete abolishment of copyright law. It's very Stage Green because it goes full-on relativistic.

While it did open my mind to severely weakening copyright law as it is today, I feel that it did not give a good enough argument to COMPLETELY ABOLISH it.
Be sure to check out the videos first, I give a short response below.

My response:
I agree that copyright law should be severely weakened but completely abolishing copyright law would make it perfectly legal to steal someone else's work and sell it as your own without changing anything about it or mentioning the original artist. I'm not even talking about sampling here, I'm saying I could literally take any one of your albums and sell them as if they were my own.

Also, it would allow hack artists with a severe lack of creative vision to run amok and create extremely low quality derivative works that steals works and ideas from other artists. You might think that it still counts as freedom of speech but pragmatically speaking, that would be a huge problem to artists who actually care about creating highly original visionary works. It's hard to tell where we should draw the line but refusing to draw a line at all would be devastating.

[Hansu]

7 hours ago, Extreme Z7 said:

Also, it would allow hack artists with a severe lack of creative vision to run amok and create extremely low quality derivative works that steals works and ideas from other artists.

Imagine the original Disney characters finally going public domain. We'd start getting the bizarre shit from year ago when there was these youtube videos, for example "Ella from Frozen giving birth" back on Youtube that were made just to get shock views from kids and make money on low quality content. Way to shit on the original creators

EDIT: This was a thought idea about how abolishing copyright laws would ruin popular arts, its not attack on anyones point of view on the subject

Edited October 28, 2019 by Hansu

[Extreme Z7]

1 hour ago, Hansu said:

Way to shit on the original creators

Wait. . . I'm confused. Is that directed towards me?

Dude, I was critiquing the idea that we should abolish copyright. Also, I'm not even sure how what you said addresses what you quoted I said. It feels like a non-sequitur.

[Hansu]

@Extreme Z7

I meant to agree with you, apologies if my message came through in a bad manner

Disney has been butchering our current copyright laws by pushing their copyright on Mickey Mouse and other characters because they are still popular. I was just imagining the consequences of taking away their copyright on the characters, I didnt mean to "lecture" you about what would happen if we took away their copyright, but I can see how my message could be perceived in that way

"Also, I'm not even sure how what you said addresses what you quoted I said. It feels like a non-sequitur."

I was imagining how hack artists with a severe lack of creative vision would run amok and create extremely low quality derivative works that steals works and ideas from other artists.

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by Hansu

[Extreme Z7]

@Hansu  It's fine, I get it.

[Extreme Z7]

@Hansu By the way, I don't think the videos are 'Shitting on Original Artists'. They're really more about having more tolerance for smaller, less talented artists.

A very common theme in the video is "Freedom of Speech" which always gets me a bit queasy because people on YouTube generally don't understand the nuances of freedom when they talk about it. And this particular Youtuber, while their intentions are good, definitely doesn't understand how freedom works in the big picture.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Extreme Z7

[Hansu]

55 minutes ago, Extreme Z7 said:

By the way, I don't think the videos are 'Shitting on Original Artists'. They're really more about having more tolerance for smaller, less talented artists.

Ah! I didnt mean that the videos you posted are shitting on original artists, but videos like "Elsa from Frozen giving birth" on Youtube are in my personal opinion taking a major dump on what the characters represent in the original art. Fanmade and indie movies are amazing when they honor the original creator, like Star Trek spinoffs

I think absolute freedom is a terrible idea when it comes to many things, including copyright (And freedom of speech)

Edited October 28, 2019 by Hansu

[Extreme Z7]

26 minutes ago, Hansu said:

I think absolute freedom is a terrible idea when it comes to many things, including copyright (And freedom of speech)

There's another video of hers (she's trans) that also tries to advocate for almost complete freedom to post anything you want.
It's less about copyright but the attitude is about the same.
Again, her intentions are good but I think some of her points are horribly misguided. She basically tries to argue against quality control because it's hard to objectively judge works of art. Therefore, Steam should just allow any games of incredibly low quality because. . . they shouldn't be allowed to make subjective judgements as a platform holder? Jesus. . . this video is. . . bad.

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by Extreme Z7

[CreamCat]

On 10/28/2019 at 9:35 PM, Hansu said:

videos like "Elsa from Frozen giving birth" on Youtube are in my personal opinion taking a major dump on what the characters represent in the original art.

People have different ideas about shitting on original art. What does it even mean to shit on original art?

"frozen elsa giving birth" doesn't even register in my mind as shitting on the original art.

If someone drew porn out of elsa, does the person shit on original art?

Also, I think copyright is for preventing people from stealing credits. Shitting on original art is not the same as stealing credits or name or reputation.

Edited October 30, 2019 by CreamCat

[CreamCat]

On 10/28/2019 at 9:40 AM, Extreme Z7 said:

Also, it would allow hack artists with a severe lack of creative vision to run amok and create extremely low quality derivative works that steals works and ideas from other artists.

You cannot steal credits or name or reputation by creating extremely low quality derivative works. Creating extremely low quality derivative works is a part of learning process. Millions of beginning artists already learn by copying on a regular basis. Those who cannot grow beyond copying others need help with growth rather than demonization.

Artists copy each other. Artists encourage stealing from hundreds of other artists.

When you see a cheap clone, it's really obvious that it's a clone. There is no need for an excellent artist to defend itself against cheap clones. Rather, you should be thankful that they are copying you because they are inspired by your art.

So, in my mind, copying is one of many ways to grow. Almost everyone has been doing it for millenia. Why would you demonize it?

Edited October 30, 2019 by CreamCat

[Hansu]

@CreamCat

I feel like making a shock "art" out of someone elses popular character only to make a lot of money is taking a shit on the original art. They dont parody the original art because they are criticising it or because they liked it, they are paroding the original art only to gain revenue and doing it in a way that appeals to the humans most animalistic traits.

If you want to create video of a young adult woman giving birth then you dont need a specific character from disney to fill the role unless you are marketing towards little kids, which was exactly what was going on with the Elsa fiasco. Call me conservative, but I believe that there needs to be respect towards the original authors vision when you copy their characters or their shows.

Edited October 30, 2019 by Hansu

[CreamCat]

8 hours ago, Hansu said:

@CreamCat

I feel like making a shock "art" out of someone elses popular character only to make a lot of money is taking a shit on the original art. They dont parody the original art because they are criticising it or because they liked it, they are paroding the original art only to gain revenue and doing it in a way that appeals to the humans most animalistic traits.

If you want to create video of a young adult woman giving birth then you dont need a specific character from disney to fill the role unless you are marketing towards little kids, which was exactly what was going on with the Elsa fiasco. Call me conservative, but I believe that there needs to be respect towards the original authors vision when you copy their characters or their shows.

That's a bit too restrictive. I enjoy shock art made out of original characters. You don't even know what shock is if you think giving birth is shocking. Actually, I love shocks as long as they stay in art. Think about seeing a character lose his wife to another man. Think about seeing that unknown man impregnating his wife. Seeing the raw process of cuckoldry unfold is on another level. It's not even enjoyable to see, but I still love it. Appreciate that what you saw wasn't cuckoldry.

You don't understand shock art until you develop taste for it. It's an acquired taste. People love shock. Murder, rape, cuckoldry, etc, ... are all fun as long as they stay in movies and art.

Granted, some people do it just for money. But, I still think parodying in a shocking way is a way to acknolwedge original art. Parodying is a form of following. If I was the creator of original art, I would let cheap commercial clones feed me. I would use them as fuel. If you let them discourage you, you will distract yourself from growing.

Edited October 30, 2019 by CreamCat

[Extreme Z7]

10 hours ago, CreamCat said:

You cannot steal credits or name or reputation by creating extremely low quality derivative works. Creating extremely low quality derivative works is a part of learning process. Millions of beginning artists already learn by copying on a regular basis. Those who cannot grow beyond copying others need help with growth rather than demonization.

Artists copy each other. Artists encourage stealing from hundreds of other artists.

When you see a cheap clone, it's really obvious that it's a clone. There is no need for an excellent artist to defend itself against cheap clones. Rather, you should be thankful that they are copying you because they are inspired by your art.

So, in my mind, copying is one of many ways to grow. Almost everyone has been doing it for millenia. Why would you demonize it?

Low Quality Art has its places, sure. But it doesn't have a place on literally every platform available.

Certainly not Steam if Steam would actually exercise some damn quality control.