Absolute vs Relative Truth: Something I've noticed

[electroBeam]

This is a hunch still, and not totally verified but...

I'm starting to think that there is no difference between absolute and relative truth. There's something very strange about truth. Its not a 'thing' or a 'state' or an 'experience'. Rather its in everything. For example, its not right to say "is a tree true or imaginary?" Rather there is some part about the tree that is True and some part about the tree that is False. 

I was contemplating/reflecting about "why do I meditate? How do I know meditation is the correct way to truth?" and from Leo's philosophy this should be a relative question. For starters meditation is a technique in duality, and your idea of what truth is, is a belief. Also you're assuming there is a path to truth. So I was assuming that I would get a relative/imaginary answer. An unreal answer. An answer that depends on the imaginary self and would be different depending on the self you have.

But I didn't. I got an answer that was universally True. Because truth didn't seem like it was totally outside of this relative question, or totally detached from it, it seemed like there was an Absolute, truthul answer to it. All of the relative stuff fell away: the path, the idea of meditation, ideas of truth, and all that remained was that consciousness. And that consciousness WAS the answer to this relative question.

So I'm starting to think, there is no difference between absolute and relative truths... there may be an absolute answer to who we should elect as president. 

 

EDIT: The only caveat is, you can't ask the truth for how to get rich, a hot girlfriend, etc. Because consciousness doesn't know it exists, or rather the truth is, it doesn't exist, so the truth can't help you there. Like you realise hot girlfriends never existed in the first place, so asking the truth for how to get it doesn't make sense. 

Edited October 27, 2019 by electroBeam

[Aeris]

he was not playing with word when he was saying that it is groundless, imagination, and self refering to your experience.

meaning yes, my man, there is no way to even know what a good practice is.

your self programmed mind put an action on the idea of "meditation" coming from guru & culture.

like for instance my real meditation is not even on the floor.

what I call meditation could be myself fapping 1 hour, who knows ( fapping litteraly, physically, non dualy )
 

maybe I misinterpreted and deluded myself on what meditation was  

 

not sayin old fashon meditation pointers are good pointing to truth, but fapping could lead to great insight if you do it mindfully  

 

the only way to know what's real, is finding by digging the whole universe/cosmos in all ways possible.

maths, physics, drawing, music, coding, speaking, shitting, fapping, drugging, breathing etc etc..

 

Edited October 27, 2019 by Aeris

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, electroBeam said:

This is a hunch still, and not totally verified but...

I'm starting to think that there is no difference between absolute and relative truth. There's something very strange about truth. Its not a 'thing' or a 'state' or an 'experience'. Rather its in everything. For example, its not right to say "is a tree true or imaginary?" Rather there is some part about the tree that is True and some part about the tree that is False. 

I was contemplating/reflecting about "why do I meditate? How do I know meditation is the correct way to truth?" and from Leo's philosophy this should be a relative question. For starters meditation is a technique in duality, and your idea of what truth is, is a belief. Also you're assuming there is a path to truth. So I was assuming that I would get a relative/imaginary answer. An unreal answer. An answer that depends on the imaginary self and would be different depending on the self you have.

But I didn't. I got an answer that was universally True. Because truth didn't seem like it was totally outside of this relative question, or totally detached from it, it seemed like there was an Absolute, truthul answer to it. All of the relative stuff fell away: the path, the idea of meditation, ideas of truth, and all that remained was that consciousness. And that consciousness WAS the answer to this relative question.

So I'm starting to think, there is no difference between absolute and relative truths... there may be an absolute answer to who we should elect as president. 

 

EDIT: The only caveat is, you can't ask the truth for how to get rich, a hot girlfriend, etc. Because consciousness doesn't know it exists, or rather the truth is, it doesn't exist, so the truth can't help you there. Like you realise hot girlfriends never existed in the first place, so asking the truth for how to get it doesn't make sense....logically. 

 

[Forestluv]

@electroBeam Some nice introspective work. It sounds like you are getting close to the whole house of cards crashing down and gleefully shouting “Yahtzee!!”

And you might be in a good space for Leo’s video on Truth. 

[zeroISinfinity]

Hmmm are you saying hot hippie chicks don't exist. 

OK I am done with Spirituality. Done that was my last hope. No wonder I want out. 

OK can't ask 'em about Truth but they exist?! 

Something I' ve noticed too. You can't dissolve dream. Leo is wrong about that. Yes you go poof but you return. 

 

[zeroISinfinity]

Ok lets say entire Truth. Cut the charade. 

Once ego self is off you become God proper. It's Infinite Love that's What you are when you lose "You are God's sense of self". 

Careless souls beleiving in Realness. 

Edited October 28, 2019 by zeroISinfinity