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Accommodating vs. Moving On

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I'm wondering if there is a balance between accommodating lower stages in society with their needs and moving on without them.

In a sociology course I'm taking it's showing the values of Blue societies and how the community and national identities could help people feel more social cohesion and even help prevent suicides.  Whereas the stage Orange type of capitalism and industrialist tends to segment the population and may result I  further social isolation and unconnectedness. 

The course wasn't about spiral dynamics but I could easily see similarities in the information that was being presented.

I'm confused about how to reconcile the needs for lower stages, like feeling a sense of belonging and group identity, with those of higher stages, like independence.  If some people are still at lower stages, they might not be able to handle a society based on higher stages of development.  

This is something I think about in terms of my own life.  I think I'm hovering around stage purple, red, and now a bit of Blue.  Mayyybbe some orange on the spiritual line.  I've noticed I've struggled a lot with feeling connected and belonging and which I think has resulted in a lot of anxiety, depression, and addictions.  I'm starting to see that it might not be 100% caused only by me but also but the environment (social and cultural environment s mostly) which I am situated.  That perhaps more advanced stages (im thinking mostly of stage orange) have constructed a society which suits them but is detrimental to lower stages who still need feeling of group identity, security, and belonging.  

This is one of the issues I feel I've faced quite a bit.  I'm not sure what (my internal demons or valid needs for social security and beloning, which i think ive not had) is causing it (the feelings of isolation) or by how much.

 

How much do you see this in modern culture?

Do you think it's mostly an internal or group issue?  By how much?

How do you think this issue (social isolation) can be best solved?  

 

It's interesting, another thing we learned in this sociology class was that often the countries who exhibit more stage Orange levels of development (modern industrialized nations: like south korea for example) tend to have higher suicide rates.  Even though they are higher on the SD stages.  How can this be?   

Also, work that involved more education and specialization deemed to have higher suicide rates than manual labour and agricultural work....

I'm not so sure how accurate these last two statements are, since they came from studies in the era of Emile Durkheim (late-mid 1800s I think).  Or if I stated them correctly as I might have been extrapolating from the data and interpreting it incorrectly.  


"Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"   --   Marry Poppins

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