Remarks on 5meo-dmt trip

[florian_]

I am just coming down from a 5meo-dmt experience. I insufflated an est. 45mg. For some people this may be dangerously high - for me 40mg is the amount where it gets interesting. Also, while this (and previous trips) were the strongest spiritual experiences in my life, they were probably just threshold experiences by other people's standards. I felt the God body, but my self didn't die.

Let me tell you a few things that I found noteworthy in today's trip. I had watched one of Martin Ball's talks the night before and applied some of his advice.

After keeping my head down for the first 8 minutes I switched to a lying position with bilateral symmetry, as recommended by Martin. I had the impression that this was helpful. Some of my previous experiences felt quite taxing physically, with a heavy feeling in my upper body and me wondering if my heart rate or blood pressure were too high or too low. This time, on the other hand, it was pretty easy and free of discomfort. Multiple times I was tempted to move my head or arms into an asymmetric position, but I stuck to my plan and kept it symmetric. Interestingly, shortly after the peak I started moving my hands and arms in a symmetric fashion - a behaviour that Martin observed in many of his sessions with clients. I don't know if this was genuine or me merely repeating what I had seen in Martin's talk the night before. It certainly felt appropriate to make these movements at that point. Is this a sign of the deeper meaning of bilateral symmetry and the relation between left and right brain?

Another remark: I am a bad swimmer and during the last couple of weeks I have been taking lessons and practicing regularly in order to become more comfortable in the water. Today's experience made me think of the feeling when lying on my back in the water. It felt a bit like I was diving into the bigger body of white noise that surrounds me. As if my learning to float in the water was a metaphor for me floating in the rest of existence and connecting to it. Again, I don't know if this is just my mind weaving stories around the experience.

A third thing I want to mention is about the integration of psychedelic experiences - and the analogy with the water will help me explain what I mean. For a long time I have been struggling with the contrast between my high, inspired state of mind and my sober, skeptical mind, which tries to acknowledge what happened, but eventually downplays it. Think of the psychedelic experience as me being thrown into the water for half an hour (or a few hours depending on the substance). Once I have come down I am back on solid ground and I have no access to water whatsoever. It's not surprising that I am not able to integrate the experience of water into my regular life. It seems that I'd need much more regular practice of altered states of mind just as I need regular practice in order to become a better swimmer. Is micro-dosing the answer to this predicament? Can one micro-dose 5meo-dmt?

 

[Forestluv]

I’ve found micro and mini doses to be helpful fir integration and bridging the “two worlds”. Including low dose 5-meo. You might also consider vaping - it gives you much mire control over intensity and hitting a moderate “sweet spot”. 

There is only so much the mind can handle in one shot. . . You referenced “altered states”. With enough experience, “altered” vs “unaltered” breaks down - the two gradually get closer and closer together. 

[florian_]

29 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

You might also consider vaping - it gives you much mire control over intensity and hitting a moderate “sweet spot”.

Is there a particular vaporizer you recommend for 5meo-dmt freebase? I have searched on the forum and internet, but I am not clear on what works best.

[Forestluv]

4 minutes ago, florian_ said:

Is there a particular vaporizer you recommend for 5meo-dmt freebase? I have searched on the forum and internet, but I am not clear on what works best.

I've used a standard dry herb vape at 428F. They are designed for cannabis yet work for 5-meo. It's probably inefficient since 428F is under the optimal 5-meo vaping temp. Yet if I lose 1mg worth per session, it's not a big deal to me. One thing I like is that it allows one to control the intensity. It doesn't have the wave-like breakthough force like plugging - which is cool too, just a different experience. 

[Leo Gura]

You don't need microdosing, you need more regular dosing.

Do 50 breakthrough trips and then see what questions remain. Less than 10 trips is nothin'.

Space this out over the course of months and years.

[Aeris]

very interesting, I like his approach, reading slowly triptamine palace. ( I only did LSD / mushroom ).

This is interesting, but I would probably have to prepare myself for it, I give me like 10 years for washing myself before putting my ball'z into the fire.

if anyone would point to me toward material that I should be aware/ ready for,

I like the no bullshit approach, but I m still even more skeptics, in fact, the more I know, the more I start to believe absolutely no one and nothing. But I m still on the side of believing that there is a god/source, whatever, unless it is a beautiful metaphor. But LSD was strong enough to makes me doubt, I was already understanding all his stuff about "spiritual ego", but that's a fine and experienced view  

Edited October 21, 2019 by Aeris