Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

[Gnostic Christian]

9 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

@Gnostic Christian Your moral concerns will burn to ashes on this forum. Not sure if that's what you're looking for. Maybe it's a big deal for you, maybe something you're trying to overcome or simply have the freedom to express what you think.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the morals from the Bible. The path of self discovery should contemplate the ability to deduct an entire and genuine moral code from scratch.

Not if, like you, one does not already live by the Golden Rule.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

 

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

 

Regards

DL
 

 

[remember]

38 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

it`s the most difficult thing to do something if it`s not in direct experience, how to do anything if no one speaks truth? there are so many people who claim truth, but to what cost does it go? how to do something if you are powerless but power is the last thing you would want to hold?

[Conscious life]

Jesus and the father are one. As he said "I and the father are one" 

The father, the son, and the Holy spirit are one in divine. They can't be separated. They are three in name, forms, in practice. There is an orthodox theology describes both their differences and similarity. 

Jesus is God himself.

[Chakra Lion]

1 hour ago, Gnostic Christian said:

I have claimed apotheosis and already have my Christ consciousness.

I place myself above all supernatural imaginary gods.

You just questioned the content of a Book based on emotional bias. Get over thyself holy one. 

Welcome to the Journey of Development, Gnostic Christian!

[Gnostic Christian]

4 hours ago, remember said:

it`s the most difficult thing to do something if it`s not in direct experience, how to do anything if no one speaks truth? there are so many people who claim truth, but to what cost does it go? how to do something if you are powerless but power is the last thing you would want to hold?

Speaking indicated a discussion or debate to try to show a better moral way.

If Christians and Muslims had a moral ideology, they would not have grown with inquisition and jihads.

Both religions are fascist, homophobic and misogynous and are garbage ideologies.

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

3 hours ago, Conscious life said:

Jesus and the father are one. As he said "I and the father are one" 

The father, the son, and the Holy spirit are one in divine. They can't be separated. They are three in name, forms, in practice. There is an orthodox theology describes both their differences and similarity. 

Jesus is God himself.

Your Trinity garbage is irrelevant.

This is a moral and legal issue that you are running away from.

You are to emulate your god regardless of the stupid Trinity concept.

Would you send your child to die for your demand for a bribe or sacrifice?

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

3 hours ago, Chakra Lion said:

You just questioned the content of a Book based on emotional bias. Get over thyself holy one. 

Welcome to the Journey of Development, Gnostic Christian!

Not emotional bias.

My justice and fairness bias, which you do not seen to have, given that your god is a genocidal prick.

Regards

DL

[remember]

1 hour ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Speaking indicated a discussion or debate to try to show a better moral way.

If Christians and Muslims had a moral ideology, they would not have grown with inquisition and jihads.

Both religions are fascist, homophobic and misogynous and are garbage ideologies.

Regards

DL

if they are ideologies, but well yes in a lot of cases and most cases ideologies turn out to be blinding and self righteous, but i also realized sometimes in some practiced aspects they can contain truths. in a historical setting the grand religions also brought laws and regulation where there was no constitution, in that sense all religions are setting the world into an order and every order can be abused if the wrong people get to power. therefore every ideology is prone to abuse the more hirarchic/authocratic the weaker the ideology/religion/system/constitution is towards suppression. if genesis is already misogynous in it´s essence of course it will be abused. so yes in this sense you could say they are already weak to these tendencies in their roots.

Edited October 10, 2019 by remember
genesis/gnosis confusion

[pluto]

@Gnostic Christian Well i see you completely missed the point

Sending some magic your ways <3

[mikelyons]

WWJD is a good question, because whenever there's a perceived slight or perceived insult, do you turn the other cheek?

Or do you say something snarky to try to cause anger, hurt, feel-stoopid, or other negative emotions in your "adversary"

What is the Christ-like response? I'm not claiming that Leo is "the second coming of Christ" but he replies to venom in a Christ-like way often, and is willing to entertain ethnocentrists' hate spew questions dressed as scientism and rationality, for the sake of growing everybody.

See if you at least take that example, if nothing else.

God designed Jesus to choose God, and all of that is just you learning and imagining yourself as a follower of Christ which is a memory from your past that you designed as an imagination.

 

try not to barf

Edited October 11, 2019 by mikelyons
important punctuation and capitalization.

[Gnostic Christian]

18 hours ago, remember said:

if they are ideologies, but well yes in a lot of cases and most cases ideologies turn out to be blinding and self righteous, but i also realized sometimes in some practiced aspects they can contain truths. in a historical setting the grand religions also brought laws and regulation where there was no constitution, in that sense all religions are setting the world into an order and every order can be abused if the wrong people get to power. therefore every ideology is prone to abuse the more hirarchic/authocratic the weaker the ideology/religion/system/constitution is towards suppression. if genesis is already misogynous in it´s essence of course it will be abused. so yes in this sense you could say they are already weak to these tendencies in their roots.

Humans are great at being mimics, as you say, and for sure, peer pressure and our tribal natures forms our morality.

Regards

DL

 

 

[Gnostic Christian]

15 hours ago, pluto said:

@Gnostic Christian Well i see you completely missed the point

Sending some magic your ways <3

I will let you know when I get it.

Neither of us should hold our breath.

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

15 hours ago, mikelyons said:

WWJD is a good question, because whenever there's a perceived slight or perceived insult, do you turn the other cheek?

Do you see turning the other cheek as you insulting the hitter the way Jews do?

Regards

DL

[mikelyons]

@Gnostic Christian Jewish mystics who've had direct experience of God would likely not see it this way, don't forget; Jesus was a Jew.

Devils hate displays of selflessness, because it calls out their devilry.
Forgiveness enrages them because it shows their abuses are impotent.

Would Christ presume to know how other Jews see his teachings?
Or would he forgive, love, and accept while continuing to teach?

[RichardY]

@Gnostic Christian

The way I see it, is that there is one-'supreme being.' That is divine, and provides a role-model for salvation. Basically, Jesus Christ.

Monarchianism(Sabbelism). One Supreme atemporal Being. 3 indistinct Aspects of God. The Father(Time/Telesis), The Son(Object), The HolySpirit(Space or unbound-potential).

Trinitarianism. 3 distinct persons of the God head.

Edited October 12, 2019 by RichardY

[abrakamowse]

On 10/10/2019 at 4:23 PM, Gnostic Christian said:

Would you send your child to die for your demand for a bribe or sacrifice?

In what part of the Bible Jesus himself says that he was going to die to pay for the sins of those who believe in him?

I didn't find that anywhere in the Bible. Only his disciples interpret what he did in that way. I was a Christian (Evangelical) and everyday that passes I am more and more convinced that the disciples of Jesus didn't understand anything of what he was trying to say.

[Conscious life]

@Gnostic Christian you don't have to throw the trinity concept like a Garbage, because century of saints and sages have contemplated about and they hardly gave their life to understand this concept. 

You can use them as an instrument to go to truth and understand. 

The Holy trinity 

❝Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;❞

  —Hebrews 5: 8 (KJV)

Yes I will send my child to death for his benefits. When you give a child a medicine that is hard to swallow it's his for his benefit, even though it is bitter and hard to swallow later it becomes beneficial. 

The father did the same thing, in order to reward Jesus the kingdom he has to obedience. 

 

[remember]

my whole life i have always been trying to understand this and still i don`t understand it and still i don`t get it and still i want to wear this star on my chest. remove all labels and write human in the midlle and there is nothing that devides anyone from what it means, i probably will never understand how anyone can use this otherwise after all this history of slaughter and murder and still not want this to end still not want to wear this as a sign against war and hate. put human in the center not war, we carry that burden together, i`m sorry for what i didn`t do, because i wasn`t alive then. don`t be a silent watcher don`t be a murder don`t become the victim by letting everything happen in quiet, at least be ready to stand on the victims side. there is no difference between victim and victim there is no difference between agressor and agressor we all are born naked we all are made of blood all we ever wanted was love, acceptance, freedom but some want more, they don`t give in to love, they supress, murder and devide.

[Gnostic Christian]

On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 4:24 PM, mikelyons said:

Would Christ presume to know how other Jews see his teachings?

Yes he would, as he had to run away from them often enough when he saw the abuses of the Jewish traditions.

They tried to stone him, what, 3 times?

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 10:24 PM, RichardY said:

@Gnostic Christian

The way I see it, is that there is one-'supreme being.' That is divine, and provides a role-model for salvation. Basically, Jesus Christ.

Monarchianism(Sabbelism). One Supreme atemporal Being. 3 indistinct Aspects of God. The Father(Time/Telesis), The Son(Object), The HolySpirit(Space or unbound-potential).

Trinitarianism. 3 distinct persons of the God head.

You ignored the question in the O.P. and deflected to your ridiculous Trinity concept.

This is a moral question and you have shown that you do not have good morals.

Regards

DL