Trump Impeachment

[Forestluv]

@Emerald Do you think Bernie’s lack of establishment/corporate support would hurt him in the general? Warren seems to be positioning herself so that she is at least tolerable to establishment/corporate. Under Warren, they would need to get a haircut, yet the main capitalistic power structure would remain. 

Bernie also has more courage than any other candidate. For example, he held a rally in deep red Kentucky to shame McConnell in his own backyard. 

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

@Emerald Do you think Bernie’s lack of establishment/corporate support would hurt him in the general? Warren seems to be positioning herself so that she is at least tolerable to establishment/corporate. Under Warren, they would need to get a haircut, yet the main capitalistic power structure would remain. 

Bernie also has more courage than any other candidate. For example, he held a rally in deep red Kentucky to shame McConnell in his own backyard. 

I don't think the lack of corporate support will hurt him as much as it helps him. But he has a ton of people in the establishment framing his campaign as struggling, and pretending like he's not one of the front-runners. And also, you have all the people smearing him and crying Socialist. 

I'm imagining this might hurt him. But that's what you get for being honest in a dishonest system. But it's also going to help him among those who are informed and don't take things at face value. 

But yes. Bernie will be the type to hold people's feet to the fire and really play hardball. He'll essentially strong-arm corrupt politicians through holding rallies in their home-states, and pressure them into supporting things for the people.

Warren, I see her as being someone who will end up going corporatist. She's already backing down off of her support for more progressive platforms.

 

[samedm9]

Stop ignoring the actual conversation at hand.

Still, no one has correlated any law to the Ukraine call transcript.... you can’t just list a law and say: “this is a law, trump broke this law”. You need to explain with reference to the transcript, how the law was broken.

Still, no mention of Adam Schiffs opening statement to congress. Come on guys, there’s a reason you don’t want to discuss this.

have any of you actually read the transcript? Or watched the first session of the impeachment Enquiry?

[samedm9]

 

I mean, this is absolutely ridiculous. Nice essay. 

I Just ask you, to support your claim that a law was broken. How hard can that be. Or are you going to stay contracted and unresponsive, deflect the actual discussion by making up a whole thing on how you have the SD “high ground”, so therefore I’m not worth talking to, why idk?

In court you’d have to explain yourself... why/how it is that you believe ____ law was broken...

Get real

[remember]

13 hours ago, The Don said:

@Leo Gura, with all due respect, Trump has done nothing wrong. And mark my words: Trump will never be removed from office as he's going to be reelected.

Trump is not a problem. The left is. Please remember this article: https://www.wnd.com/2019/01/democrats-and-the-dark-art-of-projection/

On the other hand, we live in America which is a free society. It really is free. You can do whatever you want. Western Civilization gave us human rights and Trump is fighting for that; for your human rights and freedoms.

If Trump would be a problem, you couldn't speak freely.

So please! Enough with this rage against Trump.

Everyone should take full responsibility for their own lives.

As long as your God-given rights are protected, you shouldn't worry about the man in the White House.

with all due respect trump is projecting right populist culture as something respectable to the world, everyone indeed should take full responsibility to the fact that politics seem to be a joke rather than a responsibility.

a society is not free in all aspects, or it can`t be or it wouldn`t be a society neither a culture.

the dynamics of fascism are not defined by american politics but mainly through italian history now let`s stay serious if the right says they are more social than the socialists why did they then chose to be right wingers? it all doesn`t make sense, this whole article is pre political or pre scientific or pre historic or what it claims not to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

a quote:

Much later Mussolini said he felt by 1919 "Socialism as a doctrine was already dead; it continued to exist only as a grudge"

don`t confuse one black block for another one, one was there to hold people down the other one is there to remind us of that.

Edited September 30, 2019 by remember

[whoareyou]

10 hours ago, Emerald said:

Exactly. And that's one of the many reasons why Bernie will knock him out of the water. Bernie is actually way more likable and charismatic than Trump is. And that's because Bernie has a big personality... but he's not annoying or duplicitous-seeming.

Honestly, Trump couldn't even win the popular vote against Hilary, whose personality and demeanor is like Dolores Umbridge meets nails on chalkboards.

Bernie is a strong figure. He's not budging and he's not playing. He will fight the good fight and do so with integrity. Everything about his demeanor and non-verbal communication screams this.

 

In that case, we certainly have different definitions of "charisma".

Not only that, but just like in the last elections the DNC did not allow Bernie to be the nominated candidate, the same will happen in this election. 

Nothing has changed, DNC is as corrupt as they come.

Because the focus is on Trump's corruption, it takes the focus away from the corruption of DNC.

[samedm9]

On 29/09/2019 at 6:05 PM, samedm9 said:

 

Also Adam Schiffs false recollection of the transcript in Congress, seems to be pure misguidance of truth. You can’t tell me that he’s being honest.

Anyone? Let’s talk about this please. 

[remember]

sorry was unattentive while reading, it`s still a very interesting talk.

i guess adam shiff just tried to get as much attention on the conversation as possible as trump tries to deal with his position on a personal matter instead of going the legal way. why is his personal political reelection not presidents priority you might ask. why not use international politics for personal deals?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Edited September 30, 2019 by remember

[samedm9]

8 minutes ago, remember said:

“ maybe he just wanted to build enough attention”.

Exactly. They want nothing more than a media spectacle in an attempt to smear and defame the president ,before 2020. They know they can’t remove trump illegally. So they’ll push this new “witch-hunt” type investigation, in as many angles as they can through CNN and co. 

What exactly is Schiff attempting to build attention toward? And why does he have to make up false representations, in order to make a point?

answers: there is nothing to be made known...they’re trying to bring attention to something that doesn’t exist ( request of digging up of dirt on political opponent). One may falsely equate  asking that Biden be invested to asking for a political favour, but this is not why Biden is being investigated. It’s not for the purpose of political aid. 

The reason Schiff and his handlers (he’s a puppet) feel the need to falsely represent the transcript, is because there is nothing in the actual transcript that is against the law. They need to spin it in a certain way that seems, to those who don’t look deeper, that trump was asking for help. That he was asking for valuable aid from Ukraine, in order to “kill” Bidens campaign.

 

[remember]

4 minutes ago, samedm9 said:

Exactly. They want nothing more than a media spectacle in an attempt to smear and defame the president ,before 2020. They know they can’t remove trump illegally. So they’ll push this new “witch-hunt” type investigation, in as many angles as they can through CNN and co. 

What exactly is Schiff attempting to build attention toward? And why does he have to make up false representations, in order to make a point?

answers: there is nothing to be made known...they’re trying to bring attention to something that doesn’t exist ( request of digging up of dirt on political opponent). One may falsely equate  asking that Biden be invested to asking for a political favour, but this is not why Biden is being investigated. It’s not for the purpose of political aid. 

The reason Schiff and his handlers (he’s a puppet) feel the need to falsely represent the transcript, is because there is nothing in the actual transcript that is against the law. They need to spin it in a certain way that seems, to those who don’t look deeper, that trump was asking for help. That he was asking for valuable aid from Ukraine, in order to “kill” Bidens campaign.

 

no the president smears his opponents with political deals. don`t get it confused, you need to build attention to make people aware of that.

[samedm9]

2 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

, they are doing this solely for the purpose to obfuscate the Biden scandal, by creating noise in the media so the general attention is divided? Lol.

That is likely.

also to further smear trump...

so the people forget about Epstein..... 

there is never coherence of sequence of events. It’s always one big production after another. 

[remember]

5 minutes ago, samedm9 said:

That is likely.

also to further smear trump...

so the people forget about Epstein..... 

there is never coherence of sequence of events. It’s always one big production after another. 

yes but well everything else is less important in the whole turmoil, because the whole turmoil distracts from what the president does to your country and it`s like someone sitting in the middle of the chaos and smirking.

[samedm9]

6 minutes ago, remember said:

no the president smears his opponents with political deals. don`t get it confused, you need to build attention to make people aware of that.

Aware of what ??????

If a clearly false representation is made and people start to believe the false narrative instead of the actual worded reciting. The people are being “made aware” of a false narrative. Not the truth

[remember]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

yeah then read it. notice he asks his favour in a call after someone got elected as a president. first country priority.

Edited September 30, 2019 by remember

[samedm9]

Just now, remember said:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

yeah then read it.

I have. What is your point?

[remember]

4 minutes ago, samedm9 said:

I have. What is your point?

president first.

[samedm9]

14 minutes ago, remember said:

president first.

Im sorry... what do you mean?

[remember]

22 minutes ago, samedm9 said:

Im sorry... what do you mean?

he makes a deal with his position for personal favours on an international political level. it is a preview of what the politics will look like in further conversation he has to return the favour, that`s the point of a deal. so you can already think further what the other president is to expect. again in another context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Ukraine

Edited September 30, 2019 by remember

[samedm9]

10 minutes ago, remember said:

he makes a deal with his position for personal favours on an international political level. it is a preview of what the politics will look like in further conversation he has to return the favour, that`s the point of a deal. so you can already think further what the other president is to expect.

You hardly make sense. Anyway.

bigtree would’ve Luv’d this one: 

please give me an a example from the transcript where you find Trump, asking for a “personal” favour, for political, electoral gain.

youve got to back up your claim.

so evidence, with reference to the transcript, that trump asked Ukraine to help his administration, to win the 2020 election.

[remember]

@samedm9 well i guess there is some kind of diplomatic protocol if it wasn`t like that it would be easy to become a diplomat, wouldn`t it. what do you think how politics work?