You don’t understand others POV, really

[Identity]

Just had this insight last week whilst arguing with my girlfriend.

she was explaining how she felt because of something I did.

I was like, yeah, yeah. I know that, I understand that, but still, your arguments don’t add up.

Than it hit me; I wasn’t truely looking from her perspective. To truely look from her perspective I would have to become her, feel the feelings she felt. That would mean I would be saying exactly what she was, explaining her POV.

Even though we might truely try to listen to someone, we are still taking their words and filtering them to our perceptions, beliefs, etc.

Don’t be so quickly to say you understand someone else’s perspective. If you truely did, you wouldn’t be defending your so much.

[CreamCat]

Even a slave owner has its own valid point of view. Not understanding others' points of view doesn't mean their points of view are right.

Don't try to understand her arguments logically. Try to evaluate her arguments with regard to survival and reproduction.

Edited September 25, 2019 by CreamCat

[Forestluv]

Good points. 

As you suggest, if I understood someone else's perspective 100%, I would be that person. I can't reach 100%, yet I can get pretty close. It's possible for a personal filter to nearly fully dissolve and reach hyper-empathetic states in which one can get pretty close to understanding another person. Yet as long as one is in a personal construct, they can't reach 100%. The full monty is complete dissolution of person and becoming one. At this point, there is no difference between "me" and "you" because there is no longer a "me" and "you".

[CreamCat]

2 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

if I understood someone else's perspective 100%, I would be that person. I can't reach 100%, yet I can get pretty close. It's possible for a personal filter to nearly fully dissolve and reach hyper-empathetic states in which one can get pretty close to understanding another person.

God really wants to enforce personhood. I might as well accept personhood.

[Leo Gura]

That's technically correct, but also don't underestimate how much you CAN understand others perspectives if you are really willing to listen.

The problem is most people don't want to understand. Not that they can't.

[Forestluv]

15 hours ago, CreamCat said:

God really wants to enforce personhood. I might as well accept personhood.

You are creating two things: "I" and "God".  

[Truth Addict]

Someone who thinks he does understand other people, will not understand this thread 

[Aeris]

21 hours ago, Identity said:

Just had this insight last week whilst arguing with my girlfriend.

she was explaining how she felt because of something I did.

I was like, yeah, yeah. I know that, I understand that, but still, your arguments don’t add up.

Than it hit me; I wasn’t truely looking from her perspective. To truely look from her perspective I would have to become her, feel the feelings she felt. That would mean I would be saying exactly what she was, explaining her POV.

Even though we might truely try to listen to someone, we are still taking their words and filtering them to our perceptions, beliefs, etc.

Don’t be so quickly to say you understand someone else’s perspective. If you truely did, you wouldn’t be defending your so much.

yes the whole world is "interpretation", but some interpretation are very looking tangible though.

like for instance, I totaly understand how you feel about that matter, not probably exactly as you do, but I m sure we share some sense of the idea

[flowboy]

On 9/24/2019 at 10:10 PM, Identity said:

I was like, yeah, yeah. I know that, I understand that, but still, your arguments don’t add up.

 

On 9/25/2019 at 2:44 AM, CreamCat said:

Don't try to understand her arguments logically. Try to evaluate her arguments with regard to survival and reproduction.

There are not actually arguments. To call them arguments will imply that evaluating the logical validity of them, together, will bring you to agreement. This is not remotely how that works in a relationship. You can uphold the illusion, if you're stubborn enough.

For starters, the feminine doesn't seek agreement. That's a masculine thing.

Secondly, when someone says "because", they are not making a logical argument, they are trying to use a word pointer to get your mind to imagine the same thing as theirs, so that there can be understanding.

[CreamCat]

18 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

You are creating two things: "I" and "God".  

Mind blown.

Edited September 26, 2019 by CreamCat