Being Detached And "hard-close" With Women At The Same Time

[Mastermind]

Hey, Guys!

From Leo's videos about attraction I learned, that man has to be detached and also "hard-closer" with woman.

Personally I have some problems of being detached and "close hard" at the same time. Simply, when I try to "close hard", I appear as needy.

The big question:
How to "close hard" and be detached at the same time?

P.S.: Here are those videos:

 

[Mistico]

I've recently been thinking of this issue, and man, I'm gone through the same problem myself.

Nevertheless, I'm sure we both have stepped forward as If I'm not wrong, before overforcing things we didn't dear to do anything due to self-doubts or fear of rejections, taste that.

As far as this ¨paradox¨ goes, maybe we are trying to close something that is not still open. We are rushing the steps, it's much better than doing nothing cause we're being honests, but maybe we are trying to seduce without smelling the roses along the way. To solve that let's try keeping our braveness up while enjoying the proccess.

Our problem is no longer a lack of balls, but a lack of detachment of the outcome. Our next goal is to balance this two. 

What do you think guys?

 

[charlie2dogs]

21 hours ago, Mastermind said:

Hey, Guys!

From Leo's videos about attraction I learned, that man has to be detached and also "hard-closer" with woman.

Personally I have some problems of being detached and "close hard" at the same time. Simply, when I try to "close hard", I appear as needy.

The big question:
How to "close hard" and be detached at the same time?

P.S.: Here are those videos:

 

mastermind, the problem with men is that they do not understand what love is, do not connect with a woman on the emotional, mental, levels of their being and yet pretend that they understand women.  Relationships fail because the humans seeking a relationship do not carry the tools necessary to have a successful relationship, to the relationship to begin with.  The norm is you have two lonely humans out of their own loneliness seeking to find love in someone else because they themselves have no real experience nor possess love themselves and have no understanding of the different levels of the human being.  You first have to be love in order to love, without this every relationship is already a failure.

[Mistico]

22 minutes ago, charlie2dogs said:

mastermind, the problem with men is that they do not understand what love is, do not connect with a woman on the emotional, mental, levels of their being and yet pretend that they understand women.  Relationships fail because the humans seeking a relationship do not carry the tools necessary to have a successful relationship, to the relationship to begin with.  The norm is you have two lonely humans out of their own loneliness seeking to find love in someone else because they themselves have no real experience nor possess love themselves and have no understanding of the different levels of the human being.  You first have to be love in order to love, without this every relationship is already a failure.

I think you are partially right, but women too face this issue. ¨We all need¨ somebody to give us love and in the end nobody gives anything cause we look for love in the outside. The easy thing here is to blame the opposite sex, here we have both feminism and mgtow.

[John]

Hey if you look at the transcript for the 'How to get a girlfriend video', Leo responds to some of the comments. Here is one response to a similar question to yours,

"Flirting and detached persuasion is not needy. That’s how a man acts and women love it. But as soon as you expect something from her, as soon as you need sex or attention from her, or you care whether she likes you or not, that is neediness. You have be completely detached from the outcome."

 

[charlie2dogs]

4 hours ago, Mistico said:

I think you are partially right, but women too face this issue. ¨We all need¨ somebody to give us love and in the end nobody gives anything cause we look for love in the outside. The easy thing here is to blame the opposite sex, here we have both feminism and mgtow.

as long as you need to be loved, you will never be self realized