Public housing option - Why not build "commie blocks" all over the USA?

[Key Elements]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You must always take into account the problem of scale. Scale! Scale! Scale! is what people underestimate. 

Yes, I totally agree here. What ppl underestimate here is that large corporations could scale in both directions--up & down, not just up. Scaling only up is a hype. When the trend changes, when other B2Bs and customers are not interested in working with the corporation anymore because they did not keep up with the technology and/or trend, there can be massive layoffs and M&As. So, there goes a person's job, 401K, other benefits, and everything. These corporations are capable of taking off and develop in developing countries with a snap of a finger (the Movers and Shakers). They adjust to the foreign country's whole new system just like that. Yes, it's time to get creative before this happens to you. 

[Leo Gura]

17 hours ago, Key Elements said:

Do you think using investors is wrong (or something)? Because I don't believe all investors are corrupt. Are they? Ppl are ppl. You have to watch out for the corrupt ones.

Nothing is wrong.

Yeah, certain big ideas require investors. It all depends on what you're trying to create.

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It will be nice to have a great presentation of a well designed product. This takes a team effort, not an individual effort. You can't be all the professions.

Yes, many things cannot be done alone.

Then again, certain things cannot be done well as a team.

16 hours ago, TheGreekSeeker said:

@Leo Gurasome days ago you said that there is no big difference regarding the difficulty of administering a business that earns 20.000 dollars per year versus one that earns millions. So why here you claim that big business is harder?

By big business I mean large corporations that deal with millions of customers.

There are certain scales of biz which require very different approaches.

$0 to $1mil

$1mil to $5mil

$5mil to $20mil

$100mil+

Those are very different beasts.

To take your biz from $3mil to $20mil will require radically changing how you do business.

[XYZ]

If the Soviets built these things all over their territory to recover from WW2 and rapidly industrialize and urbanize, why can't "first world countries" with massive homeless and renting-poor (low income earners spending most of their paychecks or benefits on rent) populations have publicly owned complexes built similarly.

2 main obstacles would be finding the company to construct it, since there is no state owned construction firm as there are in real socialist countries, and the space- much easier to build massively when everything was farms or buildings destroyed during a war. Nevertheless, it could be possible for the government to contract with or merge multiple engineering/construction operations that can become large enough to build public housing complexes all over the country. And while I would maintain that steps should be taken to build them in urban centers where those who need them are located, most could be built on undeveloped land, like master-planned communities in the deserts of California and Arizona for example.

What I do see firsthand here in LA is that "luxury apartments" are being built in formerly commercial and industrial areas, often literally right next to homeless encampments. Certainly local governments could legislate to stop this kind of development through zoning laws and reserve such spaces for public housing. Only letting residents of the county live there, not just any bum on the street who came from elsewhere, would soften resistance to these projects, which would be seen as helping their community not importing more poor and needy.

Edited September 15, 2019 by XYZ

[XYZ]

@Zigzag Idiot

Population control is a whole different problem, deserving of it's own thread. Can't just stop people from fucking or forcibly sterilize everyone. Effective anti-natalist policies often would negatively affect children as if punishing them for being born, not just discouraging irresponsible procreation. For now I'd say the best we could do is make easy contraception and access to abortion widely available, and most radically, require anyone receiving benefits to take birth control (with rare exceptions for self-proclaimed celibates).

But to tie it back to the original topic, unmarried and childless individuals are often left out of public benefits and low income housing programs, which give preference to families with children. Forthcoming basic income and public programs should acknowledge that childless adults receiving public assistance are actually doing them a favor by not creating more dependents, and be entitled to equal provisions as low income families.

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

@XYZ  Your response tells me you completely missed the point.

The point is in the spirit of it.

[XYZ]

Can't always tell what someone means through text only, whether something is mean to be just hypothetical or sarcastic.

I'm thinking in terms of actual policy recommendations I wouldn't mind saying publicly, writing articles or talking to politicians about. And of course I am heavily self-biased since my own survival is obviously a factor in my reasoning.

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

I agree.

Me too.

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

On 9/13/2019 at 11:48 PM, Key Elements said:

Do you think using investors is wrong (or something)? Because I don't believe all investors are corrupt. Are they? Ppl are ppl. You have to watch out for the corrupt ones.

Everyone is innocent.

There are no culprits.

Only degrees of sleep.

 

[remember]

real estate market is really one of the biggest problems to solve, even the value creating part of real estate business. value creating regulations can lead to regress even more sometimes than it will lead to healthy fair living if the market is a hot market for investment. as creation is not always value creation. it`s not only a matter of building living space but how we build living space and the same as with money it`s a question about how many flats is one person to own? thousand? threethousand?  is it a healthy garden or chicken in batterie cages? the biggest problem is, if there are no civil groups who work together with communal groups on urban development together with visionary architects and designers and green people who might have solutions for a more social longterm view as they already are deeply involved in these matters. like investing in green technology, more sustainable living space can probably not be created if we only think about body storage or money investment on bigger scales. gathering people who invest with small money into sustainable projects is one of the more win win orientated way to go, as either creating the space one wants to live in or investing into a reasonable project is more important if people have to overthink their investment twice. these projects are of course also the more difficult to plan and might not lead to the maximum of monetary outcome. would be nice if politics would support these projects in some way, also giving support to people who already created spaces like that. just taking away spaces that are occupied by old structures that already are giving space for more healthy living and working is also a way of disowning people of living space - question is what`s the greater disownment, healthy living or misused land. it`s extremely sad to see how city structures which have been ensouled by alternative living get dissouled through unregulated markets while there are no alternative spaces for the souls who where inhabiting the space. what`s left is merely a ghost of what was once alive. it`s a disconnection of source as creativity needs inexpencive space if not it can`t survive, what will automatically end in a economic depression. money can`t recreate itself in the long run only life can.

also i think higher taxes on flats the owner is not living in will only be handed through to the tenants. if we are talking about second and third houses or flats that are not inhabited that might be another thing.

Edited September 15, 2019 by remember

[Key Elements]

On 9/14/2019 at 5:41 PM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, many things cannot be done alone.

Then again, certain things cannot be done well as a team.

Yes, correct. There are always at least two sides to the same coin. Within our lifetime, why not do both (or as many methods as you can) to pass on the profound message of the deepest awakening? For example, in the Himalayas, I heard that there is a type of plant that grows there that will not die, as long as you don't pick it. It will last till the end of the earth's life. (I forgot the name of the plant.) If you write something down on its leaves, your message will be there as long as the earth lives, and as long as there are humans to read whatever you wrote. Many visitors who have journeyed to the Himalayas have wrote on the leaves, but of course, I have doubts that they wrote down the deepest awakening. This is at least a "stage green way" of passing on the message. It may not be effective.

A more efficient way of passing on the message is to make your own product that includes the message of the deepest awakening.  You're going to have to get creative on the content of how it's going to be presented. The content of the product could be your profession, and in there somewhere is the deepest awakening presented in a cunning way. It follows this quote:

Most ppl won't get the message (which includes Riding the Ox Backwards) because they didn't become it and transform back to their egos. They will only see the pretty relative truths that you speak of, or they will translate it into relative truths in their own minds. Only those who are ready to hear it will hear it correctly. It doesn't matter how many times you say it. They will only understand the relative truths, unless they become it. Sometimes I think telling them what an awakening actually is in a very straight forward manner ruins it for a person. They will not go on their journeys to discover it for themselves. They will just accept beliefs and relative truths and stay in their own backyards. It's like spoiling the ending of the movie for them. I think it's best to encourage their journeys first.

I do picture the product made with a team effort. I like different creative skills combined. If you want your product not to pollute the environment, it could be in the form of an app, e-book, etc., so it doesn't have to be thrown away after use.

[XYZ]

I'm starting to think politicians or their advisers have been reading my posts on here. Trump just proposed using vacant federal facilities as temporary containment camps for homeless living on the street in Los Angeles. And today Bernie Sanders announced a plan to make housing a right, including a major expansion of public housing and guaranteed federal assistance, also going after real estate developers who contribute to the housing crisis.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461942-sanders-unveils-25-trillion-housing-plan

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, XYZ said:

Trump just proposed using vacant federal facilities as temporary containment camps for homeless living on the street in Los Angeles.

Lol

That's called a concentration camp.