misrepresentation of buddhist heart awakening in last video, what is love 2

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, remember said:

the mistake you are making here is that you say, that it is interpreted by a mind. wherease i say a mind is interpreted by a heart.

You're being pedantic.

[Aakash]

@remember  i believe words have lost meaning at this stage and even asking questions about what other experience to be truth, 

 thanks for the conversation, 

 

[Aakash]

@remember i understand what your saying, i personally feel like we have not met eye to eye. However, we have and all at the same time, i have no way to knowing because i do not know myself what i am talking about just yet. 

Still you have helped me out a great deal with inquiring into other people's experience. 

I guess at the end of the day, we just take the route which only we know to take.  choosing wisely is valuable. 

one question that will solve this all though is 

what did you focus on when you were on the journey ? 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Aakash

[remember]

31 minutes ago, Aakash said:

you sound like your talking about people who don't start a spiritual journey, i'm talking about those on the spiritual journey themselves, choosing a path wisely. 

it`s the same for them, we are all on a karmik journey even the spiritual seekers. karma doesn`t stop, not in this life. but karma can be changed, already in this life.

Edited September 13, 2019 by remember

[remember]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You're being pedantic.

yes you are not?

[Aakash]

@remember I don't feel like you have escaped buddhism and dogma, once you realise the truth of the matter as i call it, there is no reason to quote scriptures or teachings. I can't really affirm whether you said that believing it to be true or not. it sounds like you did 

There is a logic behind the buddhist scriptures, i don't think you've understood what emptiness actually means. 

This is why i'm hesitant to say we 've met eye to eye. 

Still i personally have no way of knowing. so for the way the scales are tilted at the moment, i will give you the better experience call. So we will call yours emptiness. 

This is because i might be myself over emphasising emptiness, see? so it would be monkey mind for me to consider my position legitmate at this point without the experience behind it. when several people on the forum have also experienced what you are now. Still you bought up the importance of a pathless path. However, i don't think our interpretations quite synced up, but it could if you understand what i'm trying to imply by the question below.

I'm just interested in people's journeys and how they vary so much, so i asked. 

but my question is still the same 

on your pathless path what did you focus on ? 

edit: i don't mean to be rude if that's how i'm coming off, just inately curious about experiences to do with truth. 

 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Aakash

[remember]

30 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@remember I don't feel like you have escaped buddhism and dogma, once you realise the truth of the matter as i call it, there is no reason to quote scriptures or teachings. I can't really affirm whether you said that believing it to be true or not. it sounds like you did 

There is a logic behind the buddhist scriptures, i don't think you've understood what emptiness actually means. 

This is why i'm hesitant to say we 've met eye to eye. 

Still i personally have no way of knowing. so for the way the scales are tilted at the moment, i will give you the better experience call. So we will call yours emptiness. 

This is because i might be myself over emphasising emptiness, see? so it would be monkey mind for me to consider my position legitmate at this point without the experience behind it. when several people on the forum have also experienced what you are now. Still you bought up the importance of a pathless path. However, i don't think our interpretations quite synced up, but it could if you understand what i'm trying to imply by the question below.

I'm just interested in people's journeys and how they vary so much, so i asked. 

but my question is still the same 

on your pathless path what did you focus on ? 

 

people, health, creation, suffering, now, finding a way, understanding, nothing, everything, life, experience, intuition never just one thing, mostly it was trust that time will reveal a path.

i`ve never been dogmatic to anything in particular, i`ve always tried to eskape dogma. even what you try to push on me here i won`t allow to feed me up. it´s the problem of it all, that we can`t admit what is truely guiding us. self bias, we cannot overcome that completely except if we accept everything that is given might contain truth.

Edited September 13, 2019 by remember

[Aakash]

@remember i admire your honesty about the situation, 

i can finally admit i do not see eye to eye with many forum member. Whether this is a misfortune on my behalf is something i must witness for myself. It seems i tried to alleviate all risks, however, there's no more risk i can mitigate further. 

that's good that you aren't dogmatic, it sounds like that from our conversation we've had today. 

8 minutes ago, remember said:

even what you try to push on me here i won`t allow to feed me up. it´s the problem of it all, that we can`t admit what is truely guiding us. self bias, we cannot overcome that completely except if we accept everything that is given might contain truth.

 its a matter of flipping a coin at the end of the day 

I am sure of one thing and that is that the truth doesn't need to be contained in anything because its right here. its just a matter of flipping a coin correctly. 

[remember]

5 minutes ago, Aakash said:

I am sure of one thing and that is that the truth doesn't need to be contained in anything because its right here. its just a matter of flipping a coin correctly. 

heads or heart?

[Aakash]

neither  such is the nature of paradox, you end up right where you started 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Aakash

[remember]

4 minutes ago, Aakash said:

You tell me, which one is more deceptive? 

the more deceptive one, is the one you can trust the most. Because its safer to assume you won't be blindsided by your own blindness. 

so my answer is heads 

still they only get you up to a certain place, it was about which was the better tool to get there. 

 

heads is what brought us where we are now. you can see that in a positive way but also see the other side of the medal. it`s not about choosing one alone but to find out what is serving the situation, if your answer is heads it`s serving itself.

Edited September 13, 2019 by remember

[Aakash]

@remember my real answer is neither, i just choose one of the two options. 

anyways its like i said we wont meet eye to eye because your blindsided by your heart and i am blindsided by my head

its just a matter of flipping a coin at the highest levels 

 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Aakash

[remember]

[Aakash]

@remember did you realise you were  flipping loads of coins to get where you are now? "meditation, nothing, everything, emptiness" flipping flipping flipping flipping

the problem with flipping coins at the end of the journey is that you've already gone one step too far, now your going two steps too far  

better to flip the coin, then to go three steps too far 

you know what they say 3 step forward 1 step back. 

 

" the game of truth isn't to flip a coin, the game is to know when to flip a coin and when not" 

we all have different circumstances and so we all need different coins to flip, but its when we don't flip a coin that magic starts to happen. 

 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Aakash

[remember]

12 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@remember did you realise you were  flipping loads of coins to get where you are now? "meditation, nothing, everything, emptiness" flipping flipping flipping flipping

the problem with flipping coins at the end of the journey is that you've already gone one step too far, now your going two steps too far  

better to flip the coin, then to go three steps too far 

you know what they say 3 step forward 1 step back. 

 

don`t know if i get what you are pointing at exactly. but maybe you tell me not to overthink what i can`t figure out by myself?

Edited September 13, 2019 by remember

[Aakash]

Truth - the only thing that's truly damned if you do and damned if you don't. 

I'm not suggesting anything, the very notion of suggesting or pointing is inconvenient, truly damned if you do and damned if you don't. However, everything seems good for you so its all good. I'm simply just throwing caution to the wind for however i long trail and error takes

[remember]

@Aakash you are confusing me a little bit. but that`s probably my own interpretation of other projections that start to take place. i`m trying to return to more simple magic at the moment. the one that is graspable. there is still a long way to figure out where the travel really will go. for now i`m still here, it means i`m not yet done or over with whatever brought me here.

[vladorion]

I think we simply realize different facets of the absolute reality through different centers.

The mind realizes Emptiness (And pure consciousness, depending on the mode of the investigation).

The heart realizes Love/Divine.

The gut realizes Being.

Since buddhists only work with the mind, they only realize emptiness (and think it's the ultimate nature of experience).

Of course, whatever you investigate with the mind, you're going to realize it's empty nature, because that's exactly the facet that the mind can realize.

But whatever you "investigate" with the heart, you're going to realize its nature as Love.