How 1 + 1 = 2 is not absolute ?

[TheAvatarState]

On 9/10/2019 at 0:16 AM, Salvijus said:

 

0 is absolute. It is not a concept, it is an absence of concepts. Nothingness. Nothingness never changes. 

Zero is most definitely a concept. What you're conflating it with is "nothingness" or "void" but those are also concepts that exist. "God is nothingness" is the name of a book on Leos book list, and it's pointing to something way beyond 0. 

[TheAvatarState]

On 9/10/2019 at 1:15 AM, Leo Gura said:

And concept is being

English is warped, what do you actually mean by this? 

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, TheAvatarState said:

English is warped, what do you actually mean by this? 

I mean that which cannot be spoken.

[TheAvatarState]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I mean that which cannot be spoken.

Isn't "concept and imagination" different than "being?" Isn't that what your whole "what is actuality" video about?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, TheAvatarState said:

Isn't "concept and imagination" different than "being?" Isn't that what your whole "what is actuality" video about?

Concept and imagination is made out of being.

1st order reality is being, 2nd order is concept. 2nd order is made out of 1st order, like how a Lego castle is made out of bricks.

You are confusing those two orders.

[RendHeaven]

 

[Spinoza]

5 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

 

Thanks for sharing this, since it too long  i will check it later to fully understand your point.

[TheAvatarState]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Concept and imagination is made out of being.

1st order reality is being, 2nd order is concept. 2nd order is made out of 1st order, like how a Lego castle is made out of bricks.

You are confusing those two orders.

Oh ok I get it now. This is confusing to talk about in language period, sometimes you need to write it out like that. Thank you. "Concept is being" doesn't convey enough information unless I have all your context and perspective on the matter.

[Scholar]

5 minutes ago, TheAvatarState said:

Oh ok I get it now. This is confusing to talk about in language period, sometimes you need to write it out like that. Thank you. "Concept is being" doesn't convey enough information unless I have all your context and perspective on the matter.

All you have to do is just look at it. Look at that which you are questioning. Don't argue, just look. The more you look the more you will see.

[TheAvatarState]

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

All you have to do is just look at it. Look at that which you are questioning. Don't argue, just look. The more you look the more you will see.

Thank you. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[Jakeem Ortiz]

Look up what Later Wittgenstein has to say about so-called apriori systems of thought like metaphysical propositions and logical rules and mathematical statements and synthetic apriori and other necessary truths. He beautifully recontextualizes them into the notion of "normative grammar" and dispels the perspective that causes laws and principles to appear immutable because they are somehow unchanging external realities imposed upon us. Witt does a completely convincing 180 and turns that notion on its head. It is definitely a good way for comprehending how 1 + 1 = 2 is in fact NOT absolute as one is naturally inclined to believe.

Check out the free PDFs of wittgenstein and normative grammar and the apriori. 

[CreamCat]

On 9/14/2019 at 11:24 AM, Leo Gura said:

Concept and imagination is made out of being.

1st order reality is being, 2nd order is concept. 2nd order is made out of 1st order, like how a Lego castle is made out of bricks.

You are confusing those two orders.

I think this means human is a specific way of arranging lego blocks.

• A wireless router becomes a router if you take out WiFi out of it. A router becomes a switch if you take routing out of it.
• A human becomes a sack of meat if you take brain out of it.
• If you replace a human brain with a monkey brain, what do you get?
• If a human mind enters the body of a lion, what does it become?
• What if the left hemisphere of a brain is from a monkey and the right from a human?

Edited September 24, 2019 by CreamCat