Pick one truth you firmly believe in and try to prove it wrong.

[Fuku]

It's probably not new, but I thought this little game could be interesting and enriching.

[Enlightenment]

@Fuku This is a great exercise against bias. I use it pretty much all the time, it almost became like OCD for me lol. Ok so let's try

Life is hard, there is more suffering in life than pleasure and it's probably better never to have been.

Arguments against:

The ratio of suffering to pleasure may change for the better in the future

Suicide is almost always possible for anyone all the time if suffering becomes unbearable so one may as well be born and keep on deciding whether or not he wants to live.

 

 

 

[flowboy]

@Enlightenment That got dark quickly. Are you okay?

[Telepresent]

@Enlightenment I'd argue you haven't disproved anything. You've tried to use two hypotheticals to mitigate the statement. Nothing is disproven

[Enlightenment]

1 hour ago, Telepresent said:

You've tried to use two hypotheticals to mitigate the statement. Nothing is disproven

True

1 hour ago, flowboy said:

Are you okay?

Yes, feeling pretty good today

[Telepresent]

@Enlightenment

4 minutes ago, Enlightenment said:

 

So try again 

[Wlangr]

 

I want a beer

 

All suffering is caused by desire. 

 

I a beer

 

The universe is illusory as it is impermanent, finite and subject to change. 

 

I a

 

Who is the I? Who is having this experience? 

 

a

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

(nirvana) 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2019 by Wlangr

[Truth Addict]

3 hours ago, Enlightenment said:

@Fuku 

Life is hard, there is more suffering in life than pleasure and it's probably better never to have been.

Now, that's a projection!

[Forestluv]

@Fuku Language and beliefs are inherently dualistic and humans tend to become attached/identified to one side of a dualism. So, it can be helpful to see the opposite side of the dualism - yet "right" vs "wrong" is still a dualistic framework and highly contracted/limited.

[Telepresent]

25 minutes ago, Wlangr said:

All suffering is caused by desire.  

Disprove

[Nahm]

@flowboy Loving your signature line. That’d be a great forum feature. 

@Fuku (no offense)

[Truth Addict]

43 minutes ago, Telepresent said:

Disprove

Or rather, try to prove 

[flowboy]

@Nahm Thank you well it's possible to do on this forum already, clearly

[Wlangr]

59 minutes ago, Telepresent said:

Disprove

 

15 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

Or rather, try to prove 

Want to do it for me?  Already played my game, can't wait to see yours, I'll grab some water while you are at it. 

Edited September 9, 2019 by Wlangr

[Truth Addict]

9 minutes ago, Wlangr said:

Already played my game, can't wait to see yours, I'll grab some water while you are at it. 

Disprove

Or rather, try to prove 

(don't kill me yet, we're just playing).

Edited September 9, 2019 by Truth Addict

[TheAvatarState]

@Fuku haha, I've done enough of these to understand that any truths expressed through words are relative and partial. So from another certain perspective, every truth must be false. 

For instance, let's say I believe "I am alive." Probably the most "indisputable" truth that 99.9% of human race believes. But upon further inspection, you realize that you picked up this notion of "alive" from your culture growing up, and you were told it contrasted with "death." But, have you ever experienced death? "Well no, duh, then I wouldn't be alive to communicate it!" And Bam! If you're savvy then it hits you. "How can I prove I'm not dead? Isn't this circular logic? Holy shit, am I not the only authority on what state I'm in? Does life and death even exist?" Everyone believes they are alive and Ghandi is dead, but no one can actually prove it. It's an a priori truth, and of course those are the ones that should be questioned the most. It's like the queen of diamonds at the bottom of a precarious house of cards. 

[Wlangr]

15 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

Disprove

Or rather, try to prove 

(don't kill me yet, we're just playing).

Love which becomes attached to objects of sense becomes desire. Desire is a byproduct of attachment and love. Attachment is the cause of suffering of the finite mind because  love is eternal, immortal and everlasting.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Wlangr

[Truth Addict]

6 minutes ago, Wlangr said:

Attachment is the cause of suffering 

What about the suffering that comes without attachment?

[Zigzag Idiot]

3 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

What about the suffering that comes without attachment?

Isn't that at least in some instances a form of Conscious Love?

[Wlangr]

14 hours ago, Zigzag Idiot said:

Isn't that at least in some instances a form of Conscious Love?

Guess I'll go with the above. 

 

and

 

The mere transitoriness of matter that we are incarnated in. The three gunas. Illnesses and death. Cause and effect and its retribution. Natures eternal fitness of evolution. The want of harmony and absence of good of other people that effect us. Just by existing it can be painful. 

All comes from nature and its laws and i guess, it sums up being part of the highest love in the end. (maybe) 

 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Wlangr