Non-doership vs the ego

[Michael Paul]

Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna, Ramesh Balsekar and many other sages have stated that we are not the doers of our actions or originators of our thoughts, but it is the ego which believes that it controls these things. They state that it is Consciousness/God/Self which utilizes our body-mind-egos as tools through which its Will is done. 

I personally used to think this meant everything was predetermined, but now I see it more of being a spontaneous “happening” in the moment which Consciousness fully controls. Synchronicities in my life tend to reaffirm this. 

This, of course, means that human organisms which experience the body-mind-ego complex do not have “free will”. However, since we truly are the real Self (our true divine nature), the Self’s free will is done through us. 

Does anyone else agree with this understanding or wish to share a perspective on it?

 

[Beginner Mind]

I started a topic just like this a few days ago.  I'm 100% with you.  If you just observe the body's functioning and see that you are not beating your heart, growing your hair or toe nails, etc., it's obvious that we are not the doers.  But as Ramesh Balsekar used to say, we have to act as if we are the doers, even though we aren't.  That's how daily living unfolds.

[Ananta]

1 hour ago, Beginner Mind said:

we have to act as if we are the doers, even though we aren't.  That's how daily living unfolds.

Yes! 

[Michael Paul]

@Beginner Mind Living as if we are the doers is so significant. We just have to keep in mind that our body-minds don’t actually control anything. We are being lived!

Edited September 8, 2019 by Michael Paul

[IndigoGeminiWolf]

I know someone whose tagline on a forum is "I am not the doer. The Tao is."

Edited September 8, 2019 by IndigoGeminiWolf