Elon Musk and Consciousness

[Socrates]

"Fight for the light of consciousness" -Elon Musk

I think we have greatly misunderstood Elon musk as just an Orange-Green type of businessman as @Leo Gura often says.

No words of consciousness and love would be spoken by a materialist.

[bejapuskas]

@Socrates  I honestly don't understand why Leo criticizes Musk, I mean, it's not like you become a stage turquoise businessman and you go like: „Well, I've passed this green and yellow stuff, so now I can start destroying this planet again.“ that's bullshit. Technology is extremely useful, I mean, someone had to invent the internet, where Leo posts his videos and all the different psychedelic substances that Leo uses... Most businesses are trying to purely maximize profit and they don't care so much about innovation, whereas Elon Musk actually tries to do a revolution in multiple industries and really be the cutting edge guy. Also you can be a businessman/scientist etc... and still have a healthy lifestyle and spiritual practice, which is hard in his case though.

[Aeris]

Elon is greatly enlightened.

I know it cause I had time lost Reading about him and his life

 

[bejapuskas]

@Shiva  It's funny how certain people use words like zen, meditation, Enlightenment, enlightening, awakening, consciousness in so weird ways, it's like they are orange, but trying to appear to the higher stages or talk about something they don't understand to seem more knowledgable. But still I feel like Elon is doing a great job, we certainly need people like him.

[Aeris]

4 hours ago, Shiva said:

"Consciousness" is a very contaminated word. It means different things to different people. I doubt that Elon musk has a proper understanding of it and means the same as Sadhguru when using the word "consciousness". I think he's just using it rather loosely without having thought deeply about it.

Non duality is duality.

At the end you can only be your character.

He read Books on 'space & futur" I don't remember the name but they kind of like star trek + 'turquoise spirituality'. He had many existential crisis

Elon is highly enlightened just like Bill Gates.

Look his body. For a tech nerd guy he is taking Care. Proof of balance.

Anyway who Am I arguing with. Enlightenment meaning and value is spécific and relative to the one who use the word.

That's a process not a room

Edited September 7, 2019 by Aeris

[Aeris]

21 minutes ago, Shiva said:

If they were enlightened they wouldn't be working 80h weeks like a workaholic, living in Mansions and fly around in private jets.

If they were enlightened they would probably have some better ideas about how to spend their time and money. Like feed the entire continent of Africa for 10 years, for example....??

Bill Gates create infrastructures for African to food themself. Look his YouTube Channel.

Living doing nothing is equal to living and doing everything.

Sadghurru is a fucking guru spreading HIS truth.

Yes that's a mindfuck for you but for some people that's very natural and themself to work 60 hours a week +

Your belief about them :this is not actuality.

I ve a Book offered by my brother on the bio of elon musk. ( Could be biased but it looks kind of realistic so far )

He don't work 80 hours. That's promotion for self imagery and looking a powerful orange.

When we 'sell our art' to Friends ( me and cousin ) we Always tell 30 Times more hours than reality. Because society doesn't understand the backside work for having this result. 

It a sweet lie that gives value to orange

Edited September 7, 2019 by Aeris

[Aeris]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism

 

+ A reflection on 'charity'

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/rwjv8bZfSuE9ZAigH/act-of-charity

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Aeris

[Scholar]

Just now, Shiva said:

Most billionaires run charities first and foremost for two reasons:

1) To save taxes

2) To gain power and status

It usually very superficial. There's nothing conscious about it.

And don't forget that charities are if anything a sign of green, not yellow or even turquoise.

 

Hippies talk about love and consciousness all the time, doesn't mean they are at the level of Sadhguru.

[Aeris]

15 minutes ago, Shiva said:

Most billionaires run charities first and foremost for two reasons:

1) To save taxes

2) To gain political influence, power and status

It is usually very superficial. There's nothing conscious about it.

First, we should be asking, how is it possible for someone to acquire a billion dollars just for himself? Can you even imagine how much money that is? To acquire a billion dollars just for yourself  you have to be a master manipulator, not a saint.

How did Steve Jobs become a billionaire? By fair play and being highly conscious? - Hell no! He was literally making billions on the backs of children working in sweatshops.

And don't think Bill gates or Elon musk are any better. They are just different. You won't ever become a billionaire through fair play.

that's a view point.

that's devilry and killing who created this technology you're using right now to read me.

and you keep using it, knowing billions are dead because of the collective ego who run "science" into him.
technology has not been created upon tender love as in walt dysney.

the devil is not a human, the devil is the very mechanism that makes you breath.

the devil is the thing that push ants to create their nest.

TADA we are satan & Jesus ! By nature will !

even if bill gates do it for taxes, it still help people.

in fact most of the help we receive is never charity.

It's only a way for system to work fine and give always better ressource to the top of the pyramid. ( side effect is the "social benefit of society" )

when you're at the top, you just wish the bottom doesn't fall.

Even socialism, is just a form of surviving, not charity, not love, not kindness.

only egoic needs that aren't fulfilled.

we are all egoic creatures, pushing for ours needs and wish.

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Aeris

[Scholar]

6 minutes ago, Aeris said:

that's a view point.

that's devilry and killing who created this technology you're using right now to read me.

and you keep using it, knowing billions are dead because of the collective ego who run "science" into him.
technology has not been created upon tender love as in walt dysney.

the devil is not a human, the devil is the very mechanism that makes you breath.

the devil is the thing that push ants to create their nest.

TADA we are satan & Jesus ! By nature will !

even if bill gates do it for taxes, it still help people.

in fact most of the help we receive is never charity.

It's only a way for system to work fine and give always better ressource to the top of the pyramid. ( side effect is the "social benefit of society" )

when you're at the top, you just wish the bottom doesn't fall.

Even socialism, is just a form of surviving, not charity, not love, not kindness.

only egoic needs that aren't fulfilled.

we are all egoic creatures, pushing for ours needs and wish.

 

You are relativizing everything to a point that you could justify any position. Don't use relativity as a tool to win arguments.

[bejapuskas]

50 minutes ago, Shiva said:

Most billionaires run charities first and foremost for two reasons:

1) To save taxes

2) To gain political influence, power and status

It is usually very superficial. There's nothing conscious about it.

First, we should be asking, how is it possible for someone to acquire a billion dollars just for himself? Can you even imagine how much money that is? To acquire a billion dollars just for yourself  you have to be a master manipulator, not a saint.

How did Steve Jobs become a billionaire? By fair play and being highly conscious? - Hell no! He was literally making billions on the backs of children working in sweatshops.

And don't think Bill gates or Elon musk are any better. They are just different. You won't ever become a billionaire through fair play.

On the surface, they of course have their charities to show what great people they are. That's just bullshit.

We can sum this game up in one word: EGO!

@Shiva  But we still need computer, space exploration and renewable energy, so what is your alternative? Do you think there is currently a way to do the same thing more consciously? What exactly is wrong about working hard?

[Leo Gura]

Relative to an oil or banking executive Musk is doing great.

We can't really expect him to be a guru. As a big business guy he's about as conscious as they get.

But of course nowhere close to enlightened.

Be probabaly just did some LSD.

[bejapuskas]

@Shiva  Yeh, I don't like this aspect, but still you need lots of money for financing space projects. This topic really is very tricky...

@Leo Gura  Thanks for your update  Maybe if Joe Rogan put some goodies in the weed they smoke together, that might help.

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by bejapuskas

[Commodent]

2 hours ago, Shiva said:

You won't ever become a billionaire through fair play.

Bill Gates has changed very much since the days where he built up his Microsoft empire. He's very genuine, and I think you're doing a severe mischaracterization of him. Your post is just bullshit assumptions.

[Socrates]

@Shiva The thing is that consciousness doesn't mean anything for a materialist. You need at least some amount of insight to even use that word.

Also about charities, even if they are a PR move they still give away money.

There is a big difference on a Grant Cardone type of businessman and a more greenish type of businessman.

[bejapuskas]

@Shiva Sure, thanks for contribution