Meditation is Dangerous | Christian Guy uses Leo to Prove his Point

[MuddyBoots]

He starts off trying to be scientific by quoting various studies (although rather confused about the distinction between meditation causing problems or just showing them up because it increases awareness) then ends by using Bible quotes. Perhaps trying to appeal to stage orange and blue together. This approach is hardly new, I used to read pamphlets before the internet in the '80s from born again Evangelicals (I expect it goes back way further, to the purges on Christian heretics in the ancient times); it doesn't matter what the topic is, they all end up the same, using the Bible to say that our only hope is to become an Evangelical Christian.  Reality is all very black and white, so a huge variety is parcelled up as 'New Age' - meditation, Buddhism, Hinduism, yoga, occult, and guess what the devil is behind it all.  Evangelicals have a ritual called Testimonials where they stand up and tell the story of their previous life of sin (New Age, occult, booze, porn,  adultery, criminality etc) until they found Christ at a particular time and place, became born again, and how their life has been transformed since then.  This is a very popular and powerful faith in Protestant countries, even a political force; clearly it does something for Steven and I wish him well, but it's  a pity he straw mans meditation in the process.

Edited September 4, 2019 by MuddyBoots
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[Joker_Theory]

Sorry...

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[Tetcher]

Jesus is like Buddha or Krishna, by becoming conscious of those beings it is possible to taste their qualities. They are devas (or gods) of the astral realm, that is in the eastern framework of understanding. Shiva also but apparently there is a reason why hindus are all about Shiva, the destroyer, the mahadeva (greater god). Indeed  the crushing majority of temples in India are dedicated to Shiva. Destroying everything within the field of consciousness would be a way to go back to the ultimate nature, that which engendered the cosmos in the first place.

[Adam M]

This video triggeeerrrrrs me LOL.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh I'm so scared and angry and sad...

 

When he takes Leo's words and cuts it all up to make it seem like meditation is bad I cringe super hard.

[wavydude]

He actually does make some legit points.

[tsuki]

Following Jesus is as much of a path as Eastern traditions with their meditation are.
Arguing against meditation from within Christian paradigm works only for people engaged in Christianity.

Yes, meditation will cause you a lot of suffering, but so will the Catholic Church.

However, the argument is solid in the case when meditation is sold to mainstream audience as a cure-it-all pill with no further information. Spirituality is not a toy. If you're not willing to face your own demons, stay away and have them torment you...

...or hand them over to Christ.

Edited September 5, 2019 by tsuki

[MuddyBoots]

@wavydude "He actually does make some legit points."

Yes, along the way I think he does, eg if you have a fragile mind or suppressed trauma, and start meditating then you may need some expert help if these bubble up into your conscious mind. Perhaps meditation teachers should have a modicum of psychology too, and know when to refer their students on to professionals if needed.

Edited September 5, 2019 by MuddyBoots
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