Consciousness is quantum

[Dino D]

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/consciousness-is-quantum-can-be-modulated-with-specific-chemicals.29850/

Check it out, seriuous link

 

If this is true, then consciousness arises from matter or from something, and not something or everything from consciousness?

Edited September 2, 2019 by Dino D
It needes more info

[Inliytened1]

@Dino D its BS

 

[Leo Gura]

Quantum and chemicals are forms within consciousness. You cannot ever get underneath consciousness because it is the only thing there is.

Consciousness is the TV screen. Everything else is content displayed on the screen. Don't confuse content for the screen itself.

[Scholar]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Quantum and chemicals are forms within consciousness. You cannot ever get underneath consciousness because it is the only thing there is.

Consciousness is the TV screen. Everything else is content displayed on the screen. Don't confuse content for the screen itself.

But how can he see that if he is totally immersed in the content of the screen? I feel like by calling consciousness consciousness we almost feed into the delusion, because they look at consciousness as content. They don't see the being or existence. They only see that which exists, they do not recognize that existing is that which is the content.

I would say that the content is the screen, there is no seperation. There is only existence.

It's almost like he does not even recognize consciousness. For him consciousness is an idea. If he were to believe consciousness is fundamental, he would merely replace one idea with another, and not gain any insight into what is being said.

 

How can we possibly solve this?

[Inliytened1]

@Scholar you can't with language.  He must become the screen mystically.

[Forestluv]

The title of the article claims consciousness can be modulated with chemicals. The first sentence reads “Many readers are likely familiar with the theories of Roger Penrose on the topics of consciousness and how it relates to physics and even cosmology.”

Notice how this model portrays consciousness as a thing. That is, consciousness is a thing that can be modulated by chemicals. Consciousness is a thing that is separate from physics and cosmology that can be related to physics and cosmology. The term consciousness is used in different contexts, which has practical value. For example, people often speak of personal consciousness in the sense of personal awareness, sensation and perception. This can be useful in personal development and raising one’s consciousness so that they become conscious of what is subconscious. Similarly, exploring the mechanisms of reality through quantum mechanics, chemicals, physics and cosmology can be fascinating, insightful and practical. The problem comes when relative and absolute is conflated. When one believes that personal consciousness is absolute Consciousness. Or a belief that chemicals are separate from consciousness and can modulate consciousness. 

[Dino D]

where is software created in a PC/hardware? Does the hardware come from the software, or does software originate from the hardware?

If we could truly create an artificial intelligent conscious PC (software), wouldn't its consciousness and intelligence arise from the hardware?

@Leo Gura the TV screen (as Rupert sais it 1000 times) is also something that i can see from a different point... the picture of the screen (our reality) arrises from the screen, not the TV screen from the showed picture... so there is only screen (hardware), and the picture comes from the hardware (software product/software)... we don't mistake the TV screen for reality, we mistake the TV picture for it, but the whole time the truth it the TV screen... 

in that analogy the tv is consciousness, not matter/hardware, but I can still ask, is the TV screen then truly consciousness, and the picture again a expression of consciousness, or is the screen in fact trully matter (or whatever) and the picture(consciousness) a product of matter (or whatever-quant, energy...) the prove would be if we could create and modulate consciousness with matter(atoms) and technology, change it or whatever... 

So that we could prove that we can produce consciousness, change it, and stop it... or somethnig like this

 

the article open a door to such thinking...

Edited September 4, 2019 by Dino D

[Scholar]

6 minutes ago, Dino D said:

where is software created in a PC/hardware? Does the hardware come from the software, or does software originate from the hardware?

If we could truly create an artificial intelligent conscious PC (software), wouldnt its consciousness and intelligence arise from the hardware?

You have a duality between hardware and software which does not actually exist in reality. The software and the hardware are one thing. The same is true for sentience/brain.

We have to seperate sentience from consciousness. Consciousness is existence, all there is is consciousness, as consciousness is being itself.

How sentience arises however, which is a specific aspect of consciousness, might very well be determined by the way consciousness structures itself (in this case we mean specifically by the way wavefunctions express themselves).

Nothing arises from anything, the feelings you feel are equivalent to the atoms of your brain. Atomic structures are simply a way of viewing an aspect of consciousness, which in this case is motion. Notice that the material is entirely reduced to motion. Notice that all physical description can only describe motion. Notice that all equations, all physics, can only describe motion.

All of these dualities, these seperations between matter and mind, happen in consciousness. They are not there, they just exist as themselves.