Why is no one getting enlightenment??

[Inliytened1]

@How to be wise

4 hours ago, Aakash said:

@zeroISinfinity 

Meditation is the way 

I'm glad there are people like you guys on the forum to help a lot of these guys know that meditation can definitely work.  

I never used pyschedelics and it worked great for me.  

Everyone is different and should try the available tools in the proper order.  Meditation / yoga should always be first imo.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[How to be wise]

@Inliytened1 Also check out The Work of Byron Katie

[Aakash]

I feel the fundamental difference is doership. 

On psychadelics your doership is taken away from you instantly 

in meditation it can take a while for you to disconnect from the content, and realise the non doership rythem. 

Then focusing on the present moment, with the non doership unearthing. It’s easier to surrender to a psychadelics and then engage in an inquiry. Rather than it is to surrender to your story and then inquire into the present moment. 

It’s about preference. Psychadelics are unmatchable in the short term. However these are two different techniques. For understanding purposes, psychadelics take years off your journey. For stabilising awakenings, meditation is more important. 

“I think” 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Aakash

[Inliytened1]

@Aakash

10 minutes ago, Aakash said:

I feel the fundamental difference is doership. 

On psychadelics your doership is taken away from you instantly 

in meditation it can take a while for you to disconnect from the content, and realise the non doership rythem. 

Then focusing on the present moment, with the non doership unearthing. It’s easier to surrender to a psychadelics and then engage in an inquiry. Rather than it is to surrender to your story and then inquire into the present moment. 

It’s about preference. Psychadelics are unmatchable in the short term. However these are two different techniques. For understanding purposes, psychadelics take years off your journey. For stabilising awakenings, meditation is more important. 

“I 

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if that were the case.  I just haven't taken them personally so i can't verify directly.  But many others here and not here have.

So one should look at all tools.

[Meditationdude]

@How to be wise you mean you?

[How to be wise]

2 minutes ago, Meditationdude said:

@How to be wise you mean you?

No I’m just her student.

[Inliytened1]

@How to be wise I'm sure she would be flattered to know she is your profile pic.

[Nahm]

@Alex bliss No one but you could become enlightened. 

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Wlangr said:

@zeroISinfinity

What counts as enlightment this day? 

I like seeing this path as stages or ranks like the 5 degrees of tozan of zen Buddhism and Evelyn Uphills Western mysticism of 5 stages toward Union with God. They are very similar. There are other classifications that are like this. 

First rank is usually called satori, having a glimpse of reality, the first realization of tao.

Is this enlightment? 

Third rank is liberation or illumination described as:

"This Third Rank is what most people would consider “enlightenment.” In this stage one’s center is no longer a separate self, a separate ego, a separate, agentic “doer.” Instead, one’s center is experienced as being everywhere, and the only doer is the entire universe, the Tao, the entire going on of it all. In the Third Rank there are no boundaries, no beginning, no end. You are birthless and deathless."

Many consider this to be enlightment, is it? 

Or the fifth rank, the unitive stage:

The Unitive Life is the Ultimate State of Consciousness, enlightenment. The mystic has at last come to full realisation of Reality. This transcendent experience allows him to live in this world and yet not of this world. He breathes a rarefied air which normal beings cannot enjoy. These mystics are ambassadors of the Absolute. He vindicates that communion with Reality is achievable. The mystic refers his attainment of the Absolute as deification (the utter transmission of the self in God). He also refers to his communion with Reality as the Spiritual Marriage of his soul with God. These terms are subjective temperamental language. Deification means transmutation of self by God so that from now onwards his life is divine: God is acting through him. All human desires are taken away from him and his is immersed in the Divine Will. His being remains, but in another form, in another glory and in another power. Utter renouncement means stripping the mystic of the ‘I’ the ‘me’, and the ‘mine’. This “self-naughting” to the direction of the larger Will is an imperative condition for the attainment of the Unitive Life. “Thou art in me and I in Thee, glued together as one and the selfsame thing, which henceforth and forever cannot be divided”.

Is this enlightment?

The enlightment definition is different from teaching to teaching. Or is it total transcendence of the ego a sufficient answer? 

Have read that there is further advancement toward nirvana, but I'm not going to search for that info and post it here. 

 

 

Beaitiful descriptions.  Of course in the end all of these are relative descriptions - because the Absolute is the absence of description.   So the fully enlightened isn't even here among the relative to describe it.  They aren't even fully enlightened - they just ARE.  Even that is saying too much.  To say, period, is too much.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[zeroISinfinity]

Nirvana is this right here but it is not What You think THIS is. 

Lets say You Will see reality with different eyes. 

There are some very Tricky and illogical stuff. 

Price You Will have to pay for Nirvana is huge not gonna lie about it. Like extremly extremly huge. Not everyone has stomach for it. 

See, even Leo backs off with be a devil stuff. 

[Wlangr]

31 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Beaitiful descriptions.  Of course in the end all of these are relative descriptions - because the Absolute is the absence of description.   So the fully enlightened isn't even here among the relative to describe it.  They aren't even fully enlightened - they just ARE.  Even that is saying too much.  To say, period, is too much.

Thank you, sometimes i get to much stuck in the mind. 

[Forestluv]

8 hours ago, cetus56 said:

@Alex bliss  Think twice before you get too deep into enlightenment as it would mean personal identity will never be the same again. Who is it that wants enlightenment? Does that indentity really exist?

Yep. It's all fun and games until. . . 

[cetus]

28 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Yep. It's all fun and games until. . . 

-you realize the game is playing you.

[electroBeam]

32 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

-you realize the game is playing you.

and You are playing the game...

[Meditationdude]

16 hours ago, How to be wise said:

No I’m just her student.

@How to be wise with her picture as your profile? 

[zeroISinfinity]

22 hours ago, cetus56 said:

-you realize the game is playing you.

True, but What If You recover sovereignity over Consciousness (I am losing it right now),from all places You lost it. 

Tricky Tricky stuff. Path is deep. 

Pretty much ends with Complete death of ego. You become space for Reality. Hehe wish this is the case. 

Slain all the devils by slaining yourself. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[Bill W]

Why is no one getting enlightenment??

Because God is up to his quota on enlightened people. Thanks to actualised.org too many people are becoming enlightened so God has put a block on it for now. 

When there are more vacancies up for grabs he will let us know. 

In the meantime just try and be a decent human being as best you can. 

[AlwaysBeNice]

^that's funny. 

How do you know these monks aren't already enlightened to their satisfaction, how many have you met, (that have meditated so long)?