The Amount of Concentration Needed for Enlightenment

[Jkris]

@ValiantSalvatore @ValiantSalvatore 

Vasanas - desires - delusions.No proper purification of mind.

Complete annihilation of vasanas of all kinds is needed.

People who are deluded with lust and greed power name fame arent enlightened at all.

The truth is realized but that doesnt mean Good and bad morality values arent required do what ever you want.No free will god is the doer so *you* are not responsible for your actions" - thats again conditioning trap delusion.

The enlightened are no further deluded with illusions of good bad all are mental constructs yet their actions are authentic alert adhere to Dharma.

Dont blindly accept trust anyone in human form.

Purification of mind - annihilation of vasanas Matters a lot.Pre or post enlightenment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zeroISinfinity]

Don't forget strong intention and really strong desire for it. 

Before Meditation Try this. 

Fuck all of this I am so sick of all this talk. Fuck all the gurus fuck all philosophy fuck everything. Just fuck it. 

I want to be Truth I want it so much and nothing Can stop me to realize it. 

 

Silly game You play on yourself. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[zeroISinfinity]

@JkrisGod is all the positives.

Pure mind and Pure heart. 

Heart is always Pure and It's the Source, mind is the sneaky. 

Since You and God are not separated in any way, Sorry guys Will have to dissapoint You but You have to reconnect with your own goodness again. 

Meditation is the way. 

[Jkris]

@zeroISinfinity ???

[Jordan94]

  On 8/27/2019 at 8:35 AM, passerby said:

@Jordan94 find the Trataka sections in the index of this online book, then find those pages. It contains more info on trataka than anywhere you will find online  https://archive.org/details/DharanaDarsanaYogicTantricAndUpanashidicPracticesOfConentrationAndVisualisationS

Thanks

I checked it, seems like one of them is exactly what I was doing with the image (simmilar to a candle) so that sounds good

[How to be wise]

  On 8/27/2019 at 10:01 AM, Leo Gura said:

Remember, survival does not stop after enlightenment. The only way to escape survival is to jump off a cliff.

Or die as an ego.

[Matt8800]

  On 8/27/2019 at 5:47 AM, Jordan94 said:

What do you think of fire kasina to develop concentration ?

 

I've heard some people say that it's really effective and even a quite fast path to get to deep concentration states or 1st jhana, I've started practicing it a little bit and it does seem easier to get concentrated than other practices for me

@Jordan94 The most powerful concentration is just pure concentration. The more focused the concentration, the less room there is for anything else in the mind. 

Kasinas have their place. It can develop visualization abilities which can be used for powerful energy work.

Develop concentration with just pure concentration meditation. Then you can use that concentration ability to direct full attention to something like a kasina. A concentrated state is where the power is. The more concentrated, the more power.

[Nahm]

What is the “amount of concentration” to realize the suppression of sensations has sent one on the wildest of goose chases. Pede-stalling with the teachings of teachers’ teachings. See reference; The Wizard of Oz.

[zeroISinfinity]

Hehe. Don't interupt me. I am a student of Nithyananda. 

 developed laser focus concentration abilities visualizing his face and chanting :Rainbow Unicorn save me. 

Jokes aside. 

Develop concentration abilities and direct focus inward at Awareness itself. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[zeroISinfinity]

OK I told You. I am not interested or do I want to use this stuff. Retired. 

But lets speak about it. Yes You Can Develop What You call siddhis with concentration based practises. 

Will never Share my stuff with anyone Who wants to use this for personal gain or any selfish cause or purpose. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[Mu_]

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Edited August 27, 2019 by Mu_

[Mu_]

  On 8/27/2019 at 10:15 AM, ajasatya said:

There certainly is the end of existential suffering, deep understanding of the mystical nature of Reality and attainment of ridiculous levels of Wisdom that merge oneness and everyday life (aka duality). I'd call that pack of achievements by Enlightenment.

I can see, understand the conclusion you've made and agree to this, but I'm not sure it defines or makes it true.  Not to make things complicated or be obtuse, these notions you have connection to and share, are in a lot of ways very open, non concrete and hard to pin down.  They don't have collective agreed upon meaning, nor have verified objective consistency, where you can see the rightness of ones stance on these conclusions from a vantage point of objective to it.  Nor is ones ending of suffering or gaining of supposed wisdom able to be said to continue past the point of Now.   None of this is a problem really, and perhaps this is because of Wisdom.  Perhaps it could be said from the place in which I say and share from, and perhaps you as well could be said to be a result of the very nature of what your defining in your above sentence, a package of somethings creating a Now expression called enlightenment (or atleast accepted with Nowness-beings that agree or don't, lol). 

Hahaha, its so much easier to say, God and leave it open to infinite meaning or reason or the lack of which, all of which are fine.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Mu_

[Aakash]

@Mu_ when you take all illusions out and are left with actuality. 

Or in other words, what is god’s perspective in actuality. 

I posted a picture of a nuclear bomb going off and said it’s beautiful. This is god’s perspective. When there is nothing outside of it, then there is nothing outside of it. That which is outside of it, is actually inside of it and that means that what is not actually true is only inside of it. How is it held inside of it ? As an idea or a concept held by the person. Nothing more than an imaginary phenomena. But Is actuality imaginary ? The idea is that form is imaginary from the point of our view of it looking at god’s perspective of god itself. However, this is not god’s perspective. This is your perspective of god’s perspective either in concept form or actual form if reAlised. 

In god’s perspective there is only god. 

Does god suffer ? No 

does god love ? Yes 

does god hate ? No 

does god hate ? Yes through you 

does god imagine ? No 

does god imagine ? Yes (through you) 

does god actualise ? Yes 

does god imagine actuality? No 

does god imagine actuality (reality) ? Yes (through you)

Does god see a difference in actuality ? No 

does god see a difference in actuality ? Yes (through you) 

every duality is created through you. The end of reincarnation is the giving up of self and devilry. The ineffable as I call it. Is the part of you that does not know itself to be god. 

Give up the ineffable and that is enlightenment. In other words, 

is it a paradox or actuality that duality exists and we have all found that if materialism is a concept imaginable. Then anything is. God is imagining the whole of duality. But this imagination is for you as a seperate “me” it is not actually the truth of actuality, “what is actually here or isness” 

If you complete enlightenment, you will die. Vanish into the night sky ... It’s not that your body is yours to command. It never was because reality itself and everything we talk about is not actuality. 

This last part is in theory. Your physical body could never talk about it, if it experienced it. Because that’s duality itself. It’s an impossibility. You would have to die, to know and then by that time. Your dead, so there’s nobody to know. And so knowing means unknowing. Etc etc etc .. because knowing and unknowing are duality with opposite. It’ll just be being without an opposite. 

The question you have to ask yourself is. If you die, what happens to actuality and the answer is nothing changes. You return to the market place having forgot enlightenment because “me” was never my thoughts or real in the first place. “Me” was just a concept. 

But emotions, materialism, hobbies, jobs, work, life, death we’re all real to “me” so they are distinctions by you. That is needed for partially living. It’s just not needed for actuality. So they are important. So the “I” needs to survive to be functional. So life still goes on. 

But has the i, fully died to truth. Because me is me and me is not the true me. But all is fulfilled when the true me is me. That true me, is still you but it’s now the true me as me and not me as me. LOL the mind fuck. 

Gives meaning to the answers to everything is inside of you  

Edited August 27, 2019 by Aakash

[Mu_]

  On 8/27/2019 at 4:17 PM, Aakash said:

@Mu_ when you take all illusions out and are left with actuality. 

Or in other words, what is god’s perspective in actuality. 

I posted a picture of a nuclear bomb going off and said it’s beautiful. This is god’s perspective. When there is nothing outside of it, then there is nothing outside of it. That which is outside of it, is actually inside of it and that means that what is not actually true is only inside of it. How is it held inside of it ? As an idea or a concept held by the person. Nothing more than an imaginary phenomena. But Is actuality imaginary ? The idea is that form is imaginary from the point of our view of it looking at god’s perspective of god itself. However, this is not god’s perspective. This is your perspective of god’s perspective either in concept form or actual form if reAlised. 

In god’s perspective there is only god. 

Does god suffer ? No 

does god love ? Yes 

does god hate ? No 

does god hate ? Yes through you 

does god imagine ? No 

does god imagine ? Yes (through you) 

does god actualise ? Yes 

does god imagine actuality? No 

does god imagine actuality (reality) ? Yes (through you)

Does god see a difference in actuality ? No 

does god see a difference in actuality ? Yes (through you) 

every duality is created through you. The end of reincarnation is the giving up of self and devilry. The ineffable as I call it. Is the part of you that does not know itself to be god. 

Give up the ineffable and that is enlightenment. In other words, 

is it a paradox or actuality that duality exists and we have all found that if materialism is a concept imaginable. Then anything is. God is imagining the whole of duality. But this imagination is for you as a seperate “me” it is not actually the truth of actuality, “what is actually here or isness” 

If you complete enlightenment, you will die. Vanish into the night sky ... It’s not that your body is yours to command. It never was because reality itself and everything we talk about is not actuality. 

This last part is in theory. Your physical body could never talk about it, if it experienced it. Because that’s duality itself. It’s an impossibility. You would have to die, to know and then by that time. Your dead, so there’s nobody to know. And so knowing means unknowing. Etc etc etc .. because knowing and unknowing are duality with opposite. It’ll just be being without an opposite. 

The question you have to ask yourself is. If you die, what happens to actuality and the answer is nothing changes. You return to the market place having forgot enlightenment because “me” was never my thoughts or real in the first place. “Me” was just a concept. 

But emotions, materialism, hobbies, jobs, work, life, death we’re all real to “me” so they are distinctions by you. That is needed for partially living. It’s just not needed for actuality. So they are important. So the “I” needs to survive to be functional. So life still goes on. 

But has the i, fully died to truth. Because me is me and me is not the true me. But all is fulfilled when the true me is me. That true me, is still you but it’s now the true me as me and not me as me. LOL the mind fuck. 

Gives meaning to the answers to everything is inside of you  

And here I thought I could be confusing.  Ya, I prefer the answer, God, but thanks for sharing.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Mu_

[Mu_]

The thing about your answer "take all illusions out and you are left with actuality" is who's calling what illusions and defining actuality? Also when all supposed self defined illusions have vanished, whats calling what what, if anything at all.  It seems one has defined what is a path and then as a result of meeting ones own requirements of the path, one defines where they have landed.  mmmmaybe?  Maybe not?

 

I agree with a lot of what your saying, except with the notion that God knowing itself is the end of enifibility since what IS a God knowing itself, I feel there is a ungraspability of God itself that is part of it all and even this is saying way to much about a mystery that can't really be pointed or defined and thus talked/typed about and yet an opposite is as well along with everything in between or not, and language begins to break down, pointing begins to break down, understanding begins to break down, and the topic is gone......and yet remaining remains....

Edited August 27, 2019 by Mu_

[ValiantSalvatore]

@Leo Gura lol that is true. Yet, I still can't somehow believe that they act out on these impulses and that all of it resides in the unconscious I really do hope shadow work works, I've listend to a lot of content about it and did the pratices very actively for 2 years almost. Especially with psychdelics writting down tendencies of deeply buried treasures residing in the unconscious can come in quite handy. 

I mean it's better than being a horny mule for the rest of ones life, ever heard mules being horny and screaming for attention ? ... This is horrible the whole dorm yelled at these retarded donkeys.

I am suprised since I've heard that monks say it is more difficult to be withheld of social interactions instead of sex and apparently that is supposed to be easier. 

I don't condem Culadasa it's unfortunate I really did like him a lot. Now I don't know what to think. 

I'll definitely remember that surivial does not stop lol !
 

 

[ValiantSalvatore]

@Jkris Yes, I agree to get rid of various sins that are obstacles on the path, it's quite difficult. To not be a sinner in that sense. Especially when looking at the four stages of enlightenment as OP mentioned latently.

[Aakash]

@Mu_ very true  

need to stick to what’s important and currently it’s saying: 

what is actuality and why can I grasp it. 

Actuality is the practice itself of practising a negation technique until it’s what is. 

How to escape a prison ? Dig an infinite tunnel.

What is practice ? 

“I don’t know”

maybe ? What do you think lol 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Aakash

[zeroISinfinity]

Last stage of Enlightenment is when all stories mind created, all explanations mind and "imaginations" outside fall. 

You are left all alone as ONE MIND/Existance 

Awareness playing with itself. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[Leo Gura]

  On 8/27/2019 at 1:04 PM, How to be wise said:

Or die as an ego.

Nope, that will not stop survival.