Truth and the Embodiement of Enlightenment

[kieranperez]

1 hour ago, Phoenixx said:

Self is an illusion. That's why you're self-deluded.

You’re not even enlightened in yet you think you know what enlightenment is lol as though you’re in a position of authority to talk. 

I suggest you meet some enlightened masters. You’re talking out of your ass. 

[Phoenixx]

1 hour ago, kieranperez said:

You’re not even enlightened in yet you think you know what enlightenment is lol as though you’re in a position of authority to talk. 

I suggest you meet some enlightened masters. You’re talking out of your ass. 

You are really stupid if you think that enlightenment means saying you're enlightened.

I don't care about your bullshit opinion. My words make no sense in deaf ears.

You're just living in a fairy tale land where only enlightened know the truth. Truth is beyond your bullshit ideas.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Phoenixx

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

9 hours ago, Angelite said:

It's only true while you are it. Which will never be. To say that you are God, is not true. Because right now, you are in a human body. In a human consciousness. You don't know what is in every heart. You don't control each leaves that falls. You are not aware of how many newborns are born right at this moment. You don't hold the sun in it's place. In fact, you don't control anything. If I said no, it can never be yes. 

(You can only control what is in your possession. But the outcome will still not be under your own control.)

To say that you are God , will never be true. God is God. You are you. Right now. 

If you are God, can you create something out of nothing? Right now. Or are you limited? 

?

You're not God then. God is God;

Allah

Who is it that controls everything all at once? 

Allah

 

How do you know you are in a human body? Because you've been conditioned to believe that your whole life? Was that an original thought of yours that no one ever told you? You knew the concept of "human" or "body" before someone fed you that information? Nope

You say you can't be God because you can't make things appear and control physical reality at will (leaf falling off a tree). Can you partially create/manipulate things in the environment? Yes, you can plant a seed and a plant will grow. 

But you can't even control your own thoughts and emotions at will. Can you partially try to change the thoughts in your head and repress your emotions? Yes, but ultimately you are controlled by your thinking/emotions to an extent you aren't even conscious of. Why else would you suffer in life?

So your logic here holds no ground. You can't even control yourself. Your body doesn't even need your "conscious control" to do anything at all, billions of cells that make up your body are doing billions of tasks by themselves that you couldn't even describe. At what point do you stop being the billions of cells you are comprised of and become who you define as "you". There is no such a hard line, try to find it, it doesn't exist. At what point do the neurological circuits in your brain become more than just neurons doing their own thing you aren't aware of and become "you"? If you have a pure open mind you reconsider who "you" truly are. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by TrynaBeTurquoise

[kieranperez]

46 minutes ago, Phoenixx said:

You are really stupid if you think that enlightenment means saying you're enlightened.

I don't care about your bullshit opinion. My words make no sense in deaf ears.

You're just living in a fairy tale land where only enlightened know the truth. Truth is beyond your bullshit ideas.

I think you just need a hug 

[Angelite]

15 hours ago, kieranperez said:

Not all enlightened people are the same. Differentiate an enlightened master from another enlightened person. 

Nor are all enlightened masters. 

A true Zen master for example has 0 interest in entertaining you with answers. 

When I was really young, my father used to tell me not to think badly of the crazy man if you find one on the street. Those seemingly insane man might be the friend of God (enlightened). 

 

In other words, enlightened being can be anywhere. But i'm talking about those who teache and have students. 

(Ps: By my father's standard, you can't think badly of anyone haha)

[Angelite]

@TrynaBeTurquoise I am a soul in a human body. When this body dies, my soul will continue it's journey in a different dimension. 

It's a natural thing that we innately know. It can't be otherwise. 

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You can't control what comes at you, but you are given free will to choose what to do with it. Your only freedom is choices. Intention. For everything else is up to God's Will. 

It's very simple actually. 

Thinking that you have power, is the biggest lies you can tell yourself. Your only freedom is intention. Everything else will manifest based on your intention. If your intention is ugly, the ugliness will only befall on you. If it's pure, it's purity will be on you. 

When you move your hands, the only thing you do is your intention to move it closer, the One who actually moves it is God.

If Allah decided not to make it move, even if you had intended to move it, it won't move an inch. 

 

[Phoenixx]

9 hours ago, kieranperez said:

I think you just need a hug 

I don't need your hug. Go and preach your false love and spirituality in your fairy tale land

[Phoenixx]

1 hour ago, Angelite said:

@TrynaBeTurquoise I am a soul in a human body. When this body dies, my soul will continue it's journey in a different dimension. 

It's a natural thing that we innately know. It can't be otherwise.

Why it can't be otherwise? After death, consciousness ceases to exist and you'll more likely be dead. That's a natural thing that we innately know. Death is death, life is life. You are a possession, why do you want to take "you" in the "afterlife"?

[Angelite]

1 hour ago, Phoenixx said:

Why it can't be otherwise? After death, consciousness ceases to exist and you'll more likely be dead. That's a natural thing that we innately know. Death is death, life is life. You are a possession, why do you want to take "you" in the "afterlife"?

Have you ever dream of a dead loved ones? 

[Phoenixx]

3 minutes ago, Angelite said:

Have you ever dream of a dead loved ones? 

Sure, I also had a dream in which I died and there are no words to describe nothingness. Theoretically, when you die, you let go of all your earthly attachments. No one knows what happens after death but death is the opposite of life. It is said that death is the release of suffering because attachments bring suffering.

[zeroISinfinity]

There is no death, there is only life. With enlightenment all dualities break down Yes. But not into neutrality. They all break into positivity. God is Good keep That in mind. 

But Hey What do I know, Just your regular average Joe You see on street kicking Stones and talk ing with himself. 

Edited August 28, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

9 hours ago, Angelite said:

@TrynaBeTurquoise I am a soul in a human body. When this body dies, my soul will continue it's journey in a different dimension. 

It's a natural thing that we innately know. It can't be otherwise. 

...

You can't control what comes at you, but you are given free will to choose what to do with it. Your only freedom is choices. Intention. For everything else is up to God's Will. 

It's very simple actually. 

Thinking that you have power, is the biggest lies you can tell yourself. Your only freedom is intention. Everything else will manifest based on your intention. If your intention is ugly, the ugliness will only befall on you. If it's pure, it's purity will be on you. 

When you move your hands, the only thing you do is your intention to move it closer, the One who actually moves it is God.

If Allah decided not to make it move, even if you had intended to move it, it won't move an inch. 

 

Wouldn’t your soul already be in a different dimension if thats what you believe you are? Where is your soul located in this dimension then?

[kieranperez]

8 hours ago, Phoenixx said:

I don't need your hug. Go and preach your false love and spirituality in your fairy tale land

What a miserable human being lol

you clearly don’t get sarcasm. Idk what fairytales you think I’m saying as you haven’t been clear (nor accurate) on any accusation of me on what it is I’m “preaching” to you other than just that you’re full of shit with your own fake skepticism that you use as a tool to protect your own fake authority on matters you’re not aware of. 

[Phoenixx]

16 hours ago, kieranperez said:

What a miserable human being lol

That says a lot about you

16 hours ago, kieranperez said:

you clearly don’t get sarcasm. Idk what fairytales you think I’m saying as you haven’t been clear (nor accurate) on any accusation of me on what it is I’m “preaching” to you other than just that you’re full of shit with your own fake skepticism that you use as a tool to protect your own fake authority on matters you’re not aware of. 

And I suppose you think you are really spiritual and humble with this attitude, huh? Please take your chill pill next time you open your dirty mouth and pretend that you know strangers on a forum. You're not in the position to tell me about matters I'm not aware of when your IQ hits rock bottom

Edited August 29, 2019 by Phoenixx

[UDT]

On 19/08/2019 at 4:44 PM, Leo Gura said:

@UDT What you're missing is the insight of no-self.

The distinction between self/other is imaginary. So there are no individuals.

But you are not taking the contemplation seriously enough. Ask all your doubts when you are on LSD.

Thanks will try to get that. 
the thing is , I SEE IT, I see it in everyday life just looking around I can see it. But I dont trust that it is true, because it could just be me and my opinion. Cheers

[TrynaBeTurquoise]

12 hours ago, Phoenixx said:

That says a lot about you

And I suppose you think you are really spiritual and humble with this attitude, huh? Please take your chill pill next time you open your dirty mouth and pretend that you know strangers on a forum. You're not in the position to tell me about matters I'm not aware of when your IQ hits rock bottom

Yet you are the one judging others by insulting me and pretending to know me when peoples responses back to you have just been directly trying to help your understanding. That alone speaks volumes about your low maturity level and high level of internal turmoil. Wish you the best 

Edited August 29, 2019 by TrynaBeTurquoise

[Phoenixx]

13 hours ago, TrynaBeTurquoise said:

Yet you are the one judging others by insulting me and pretending to know me when peoples responses back to you have just been directly trying to help your understanding. That alone speaks volumes about your low maturity level and high level of internal turmoil.

When I insulted you personally? If I'm saying that you're self deluded thinking that your truth is above others, then I'm talking about your ideas, not saying that I know you are self deluded. But I have no reason to justify myself over your inflated ego. You clearly didn't understand what I was trying to say.

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this attitude seems just plain arrogant.

This sense of entitlement is egotistical.

You are self-deluded if you think that your individual perception is separate from others.

Saying that YOU know truth while others are deluded is self-delusion.

It's not my fault you can't handle the truth. As for the insult part, you're the one judging without knowing me personally or my life experiences. Don't judge someone until you've walked in their shoes.

"That alone speaks volumes about your low maturity level and high level of internal turmoil." - this phrase alone shows that spirituality stinks and you're not in the position to help my understanding.

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Wish you the best

Thanks for the passive-aggressive behavior. Asshole.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Phoenixx