Truth and the Embodiement of Enlightenment

[Angelite]

On 8/20/2019 at 5:44 AM, Girzo said:

For you as entity there will always be a higher form of embodiment, mastery. The same goes other way around, infinitely many less sophisticated forms will be below you.

But in a twisted way because every form has infinitely many steps of evolution both up and down they are all equal. And the Truth about that equality never changes, is the real rock-bottom. This is self-evident and doesn't require confirmation by anyone, neither scientist nor machine elves.

At least that's how I understand it.

So there isn't any highest-ceiling? 

[Phoenixx]

7 hours ago, kieranperez said:

I can smell your shadow from here.

Stop being a preacher over a forum. If you REALLY knew this to your bones you would be out living it and not talking shit on a forum. 

Your arrogance is nauseating. 

Someone who truly “owns” their enlightenment doesn’t act as arrogantly as you are. They are not nondual preachers on how deluded other people are. 

Talk around a REAL enlightened master like this in person and he’d stare at you like you were scared prey. Show some humility. 

I don't preach false humility, in fact, I don't preach anything. You are completely missing my point.

If you think that self-inquiry means arrogance, then you have no idea what humility is.

And I have no reason to be humble with people like you who are preaching false spirituality and call it humility.

Your know-it-all attitude is nauseating and you don't know shit.

8 hours ago, TrynaBeTurquoise said:

Because “you” arent a human in the absolute sense, you are God imagining you are human. This doesnt mean you neglect your human life.

Do self-inquiry practice. Try to find where the “you” resides in your human body and mind. Youll be unable to find “you” if you do it correctly.

This is like saying "you aren't God in the absolute sense, you are human imagining you are God". Imagination isn't the same with facts. I can say that I'm a unicorn flying but this would not make me more or less human.

"Me" resides in my human body and mind. Thinking that I'm God won't help me transcend the physical reality. A donkey dressed in human clothes is still a donkey.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Phoenixx

[Angelite]

13 hours ago, TrynaBeTurquoise said:

But you just said that God is everything in the post I quoted you so you are contradicting yourself.

what you are misinterpreting is that you think the statement “you are God” means ONLY you are God, or you as more of God than anything else, then in that sense you are right. But you are misunderstanding the message. 

The floor you are standing on or the toilet you are sitting on is just as much as god as you. 

“You” being God goes beyond your personal identity of who you think you are. Thats just a misconception of who you really are. That misconception, your identity, is your ego, and that is not God, but in a sense, is still part of God and made of God. 

Self-Deluded individuals, what your trying to say, think their Ego is God and everything else is not.

 

It's only true while you are it. Which will never be. To say that you are God, is not true. Because right now, you are in a human body. In a human consciousness. You don't know what is in every heart. You don't control each leaves that falls. You are not aware of how many newborns are born right at this moment. You don't hold the sun in it's place. In fact, you don't control anything. If I said no, it can never be yes. 

(You can only control what is in your possession. But the outcome will still not be under your own control.)

To say that you are God , will never be true. God is God. You are you. Right now. 

If you are God, can you create something out of nothing? Right now. Or are you limited? 

?

You're not God then. God is God;

Allah

Who is it that controls everything all at once? 

Allah

 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Angelite

[Inliytened1]

@Angelite take out your hand and acknowledge the whole hand.  Now look at one of the fingers.  See the finger as a finger.  Now shift your consciousness and see that the finger is still the hand.  Can you become aware directly that the finger is still the hand?

To see that the finger is still the hand requires a consciousness shift.   But if you can do that - that is what becoming conscious that you are God is.  You don't have to do magic to see that is One and you are the whole thing, you can just look at your hand. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Angelite]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Angelite take out your hand and acknowledge the whole hand.  Now look at one of the fingers.  See the finger as a finger.  Now shift your consciousness and see that the finger is still the hand.  Can you become aware directly at the finger is still the hand?

To see that the finger is still the hand requires a consciousness shift.   But if you can do that - that is what becoming conscious that you are God is.  You don't have to do magic to see that is One and you are the whole thing.   

I can do that with pretty much everything easily. But that doesn't make me able to know what is beyond my perception. Beyond my knowledge. Beyond the seen and the known. 

I am still limited. Haha

Edited August 27, 2019 by Angelite

[Inliytened1]

@Angelite true but if you do that long enough - or self inquiry - something mystical happens and you can.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Angelite]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Angelite true but if you do that long enough - or self inquiry - something mystical happens and you can.

To unseen & unknown 

?

Edited August 27, 2019 by Angelite

[Inliytened1]

@Angelite right now the nature of reality is still unknown to you

 

[Angelite]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Angelite right now the nature of reality is still unknown to you

 

I like what i've known and seen. I don't wanna undo it. Classes will start soon~

Hahaha jk. I have known a lot. All animals are created from water. They are originally water based. Some of them creep on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some that walk on four.

[refer 24:45]

It goes from fish, to having two feets, to having four feets, as they evolve to the land. (Don't believe me)

...

So far, I haven't found any contradiction. With my nature of reality. 

For those who have sharp vision, you can do it with Night & Day. You'll see the Sign.

[refer 24:44]

 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Angelite

[kieranperez]

1 hour ago, Phoenixx said:

I don't preach false humility, in fact, I don't preach anything. You are completely missing my point.

If you think that self-inquiry means arrogance, then you have no idea what humility is.

And I have no reason to be humble with people like you who are preaching false spirituality and call it humility.

Your know-it-all attitude is nauseating and you don't know shit.

I know, the whole “false humility” tends to be a good line to not want to drop projections and introspect into your own bullshit. Good one. Any others in your toolbox you got?

Notice how you assume you think I’m on here talking like I know everything. I’ve NEVER on this forum claimed to be awake or enlightened. I’ve said multiple times how I don’t know. I’m NOT enlightened. I’m NOT awake. Do I make myself clear? 

HOWEVER, I also have in-person teachers I now have in the Denver/Boulder who’ve gone farther than most on this forum will ever go that I’ve had the chance to talk to like David Loy, Ken Wilber, Doshin Roshi, etc. These people are not angry little children who rant at people. If you, some dude talking shit on a forum, are going to tell me you’re more awake than these guys, start living, talking, acting, and contributing like it and get off the forum. 

Notice how entitled you have to be to be in the position where you lecture people because they don’t talk about the spirituality they way YOU would like them to talk about it. I’m not a fan of keyboard warriors who just preach enlightenment. However that’s IS my prejudice. I’m not here to pretend it’s not a prejudice. 

Stay in your lane when it comes to what you think you know about me. You don’t know what you’re uttering. 

[Angelite]

@kieranperez I have met enlightened people. They will get to your level and speak in a language that you would understand. They even give me time to process my thoughts. Their answers will always be satisfying. Adding more clarity instead of confusions. 

Is it similar?

Edited August 27, 2019 by Angelite

[Phoenixx]

13 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

I know, the whole “false humility” tends to be a good line to not want to drop projections and introspect into your own bullshit. Good one. Any others in your toolbox you got?

Notice how you assume you think I’m on here talking like I know everything. I’ve NEVER on this forum claimed to be awake or enlightened. I’ve said multiple times how I don’t know. I’m NOT enlightened. I’m NOT awake. Do I make myself clear? 

HOWEVER, I also have in-person teachers I now have in the Denver/Boulder who’ve gone farther than most on this forum will ever go that I’ve had the chance to talk to like David Loy, Ken Wilber, Doshin Roshi, etc. These people are not angry little children who rant at people. If you, some dude talking shit on a forum, are going to tell me you’re more awake than these guys, start living, talking, acting, and contributing like it and get off the forum. 

Notice how entitled you have to be to be in the position where you lecture people because they don’t talk about the spirituality they way YOU would like them to talk about it. I’m not a fan of keyboard warriors who just preach enlightenment. However that’s IS my prejudice. I’m not here to pretend it’s not a prejudice. 

Stay in your lane when it comes to what you think you know about me. You don’t know what you’re uttering. 

I'm here to exchange ideas and tell my own opinion. Who are you to tell me to stfu?

It's not me who claimed to know the truth and say that others are deluded. That's what I'm pointing at. I'm self-deluded as well but I don't claim to know the truth better than others. I don't claim that I'm right and others are self-deluded. I'm just a mirror showing what is.

So who the fuck are you to tell me what I should do? I live according to my own laws.

Don't preach me the truth because you aren't the absolute.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Phoenixx

[kieranperez]

3 minutes ago, Angelite said:

@kieranperez I have met enlightened people. They will get to your level and speak in a language that you would understand. They even give me time to process my thoughts. Their answers will always be satisfying. Adding more clarity instead of confusions. 

Not all enlightened people are the same. Differentiate an enlightened master from another enlightened person. 

Nor are all enlightened masters. 

A true Zen master for example has 0 interest in entertaining you with answers. 

[kieranperez]

3 minutes ago, Phoenixx said:

live according to my own laws

Lol that’s adorable

4 minutes ago, Phoenixx said:

don't preach me the truth because you aren't the absolute.

Read what I said above again. 

Im telling you to stay in your lane with your projections of me and pointing out to you what I’m seeing. 

Idk where you’re seeing me preach to you the Absolute. I’m telling you to stop whining. 

[CreamCat]

On 8/20/2019 at 5:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

What you're missing is the insight of no-self.

The distinction between self/other is imaginary. So there are no individuals.

This requires awakening.

I think I had a peek into awakening recently without LSD or any psychedelics.

Deep work is itself a form of meditation although it is not efficient.

[Phoenixx]

12 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

Lol that’s adorable

Read what I said above again. 

Im telling you to stay in your lane with your projections of me and pointing out to you what I’m seeing. 

Idk where you’re seeing me preach to you the Absolute. I’m telling you to stop whining. 

I'm telling you to stop telling me what should I do. I can also say to stfu and stop spreading lies. But I'm trying to have a civilized conversation with brainwashed people like you. Telling me that I'm wrong doesn't make you more right. As long as you're telling me your own truth in an arrogant way, I see no reason to be humble in telling you my own version of truth.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Phoenixx

[kieranperez]

44 minutes ago, Phoenixx said:

I'm telling you to stop telling me what should I do. I can also say to stfu and stop spreading lies. But I'm trying to have a civilized conversation with brainwashed people like you. Telling me that I'm wrong doesn't make you more right. As long as you're telling me your own truth in an arrogant way, I see no reason to be humble in telling you my own version of truth.

Lol yes, everybody is brainwashed on here except you. Good one. Notice that. NOTICE THAT. 

Its funny. You’re not enlightened in yet you think you know what enlightenment is to the point where you think people should stop talking about it the way they are. 

People don’t need to change for you. You’re not special. Everyone is special so what makes you so special and entitled? 

And yes I am brainwashed. Hence why I go to teachers to brutally point out my own conditioning, brainwashing, projections, and fantasies. 

Notice how your entire position is about OTHER people and ignoring your own position and your own cute little stake in your game.

[Phoenixx]

2 hours ago, kieranperez said:

Lol yes, everybody is brainwashed on here except you. Good one. Notice that. NOTICE THAT. 

Its funny. You’re not enlightened in yet you think you know what enlightenment is to the point where you think people should stop talking about it the way they are. 

People don’t need to change for you. You’re not special. Everyone is special so what makes you so special and entitled? 

And yes I am brainwashed. Hence why I go to teachers to brutally point out my own conditioning, brainwashing, projections, and fantasies.

Yes, you are brainwashed so don't fucking tell me or others what truth is. Truth is. Nobody is entitled in knowing the truth while others are not.

Everybody is right in their own little universe. Truth is impartial. That's what I'm trying to tell you but you keep repeating the same bullshits over and over again such as truth is this, truth is that. Or you need to be humble, you need to be enlightened and you need to be this, you need to be that. Stop projecting your own bullshits when describing what truth is.

2 hours ago, kieranperez said:

Notice how your entire position is about OTHER people and ignoring your own position and your own cute little stake in your game.

My position is to defend the other facets of truth. I'm pointing to the self delusion because that's where the misconceptions come from. Once you start accepting the other facets of reality, truth will become impartial.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Phoenixx

[kieranperez]

2 hours ago, Phoenixx said:

Yes, you are brainwashed so don't fucking tell me or others what truth is. Truth is. Nobody is entitled in knowing the truth while others are not.

Everybody is right in their own little universe. Truth is impartial. That's what I'm trying to tell you but you keep repeating the same bullshits over and over again such as truth is this, truth is that. Or you need to be humble, you need to be enlightened and you need to be this, you need to be that. Stop projecting your own bullshits when describing what truth is.

My position is to defend the other facets of truth. I'm pointing to the self delusion because that's where the misconceptions come from. Once you start accepting the other facets of reality, truth will become impartial.

Lol okay dude. 

Smoke a joint then get back to me when you’re ready to be more self-reflective. 

[Phoenixx]

16 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

Lol okay dude. 

Smoke a joint then get back to me when you’re ready to be more self-reflective. 

Self is an illusion. That's why you're self-deluded.