Creative and Emotional types require a different path to enlightenment

[seeking_brilliance]

10 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@Nahm @Serotoninluv

@seeking_brilliance Huh? Try LoA.

@mandyjw

7 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

@mandyjw

@Truth Addict haha a blatant post requesting personalized guidance couldn't get more LoA than that

[mandyjw]

14 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@mandyjw Threads don’t attract. Threads are attracted. Moth to light, light to moth? LOL.  Who knows....who cares?  

 

I take responsibility for things too much. I have a hard time separating caring about someone and caring about their immediate emotional state. 

15 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Serotoninluv One more that’s what she said washing itself out. Thanks. ??

@seeking_brilliance Where was the post?

[Nahm]

@mandyjw Understanding is the lynchpin. In golf, the club is held like a dove.  

Oh ok, less effort. No problem. That’ll be so easy. Every once and a while on the course, you notice a club high in a tree. 

[seeking_brilliance]

@mandyjw

 

 

[mandyjw]

@seeking_brilliance I'll do it if you want.

 

[seeking_brilliance]

42 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

@seeking_brilliance I'll do it if you want.

 

Abosulutely, just start a thread when you are ready and tag me in it. Just so you know, I leave on the 24th for two week vacation in Europe so I won't be able to respond much. We could wait until after Sept 7th, or start now, whatever. Although I've been thinking I would like something to mull over during the vacation... 

[Martin123]

I think the biggest downfall of the spiritual journey is the fact that the feminine awakening takes place in individuals with inferior ego-structures, who feel bad about themselves. The masculine path is what's required to surrender individuals with superior ego-structures who tend to get lost in self-absorption. 
The tragic-comedy is that individuals who are going through the feminine awakening are chasing after the self-absorbed egos, because they seem to be confidently claiming to have all the answers, while the feminine ones run round open, with low self-esteem asking for permission to be themselves, and accidentally being on the masculine path as a result of following the advice of the "confident gurus", which is the opposite of what they need.

Contrastingly, it is up to each person going through the masculine awakening realize, as they become more open, that what's opening for them is actually their capacity to step into the feminine path.

[DrewNows]

14 hours ago, mandyjw said:

That looks awesome, thank you, have you seen EVERYTHING by Teal Swan or what? 

Or what 

I’ll admit for a little while I went a bit overboard, sort of like Tolle videos. I still think it beat a porn obsession 

[DrewNows]

@Martin123 maybe you’ve answered this already but how do you describe the masculine path? 

[Martin123]

@DrewNows determination, self-enquiry, meditation and concentration. Quite Zen Buddhism

[Forestluv]

2 hours ago, mandyjw said:

I take responsibility for things too much. I have a hard time separating caring about someone and caring about their immediate emotional state. 

I was just watching a video on “what is an empath” and this was one of the things she discussed. To integrate this with the thread theme, I would say empathy is considered to be feminine energy/trait (yet both women and men can experience/embody it). In terms of spiritual paths, I can see how a path that incorporates empathy would resonate with those that are naturally empathetic. 

 

[DrewNows]

54 minutes ago, Martin123 said:

The masculine path is what's required to surrender individuals with superior ego-structures who tend to get lost in self-absorption. 

When I tried to go back to this sort of determination centered lifestyle it actually felt wrong, as I didn’t realize I had begun rejecting the ego 

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Martin123 said:

I think the biggest downfall of the spiritual journey is the fact that the feminine awakening takes place in individuals with inferior ego-structures, who feel bad about themselves. The masculine path is what's required to surrender individuals with superior ego-structures who tend to get lost in self-absorption. 

You make some interesting points. I would agree that there are different ego structures, yet I’d also say it gets quite nuanced. 

Are you saying one person has an inferiority complex and the other person has a superiority complex? Or are you saying that one ego structure is superior to the other?

[Guest SirVladimir]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have decided to close Joseph Maynor's account on this forum. It was just becoming too much of a distraction.

Just letting you guys know.

Cool. I've always felt the guy was deeply oppressing stage red in the name of yellow. 

[Martin123]

6 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

inferiority complex and the other person has a superiority complex?

This, although better way of saying it is that one has a tendency towards self-absorption, the other simply does not and has a natural gravitational pull towards empathy (that's why when people say they're empaths and then they're dismissed by self-absorbed individuals as "but you're not special that's just a story", is something very unfortunate and abusive. 
Every ego can feel superior or inferior in certain situations, that's just how egos are. You can feel inferior with your boss and superior with your spouse. 

 

10 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Or are you saying that one ego structure is superior to the other?

This made me giggle  . 
What a spiritual thing to say! "My ego is superior to your ego." I think you should make that a thing

[Forestluv]

@Martin123

In terms of inferiority and superiority dynamics, I would say they are present in both types of people, yet manifest differently. A sense of inferiority / insecurity can be expressed by feeling bad about oneself and taking responsibility for other people’s feelings. Yet a sense of inferiority / insecurity can also be expressed by blaming others and trying to control/dominate others. Both empaths and narcissists have inferiority / insecurity dynamics - it just manifests differently.

We could refer to manifestation/expression as being inferior and superior and I think that has a lot of practical value in terms of the most effective path of awakening at more transparent levels. Yet, I also think there is a deeper aspect in that those expressing inferiority also have underlying superiority dynamics and those expressing superiority also have underlying inferiority dynamics. When I see someone with a strong sense superiority, I also see someone with inferiority issues deeper down.

[mandyjw]

1 hour ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Abosulutely, just start a thread when you are ready and tag me in it. Just so you know, I leave on the 24th for two week vacation in Europe so I won't be able to respond much. We could wait until after Sept 7th, or start now, whatever. Although I've been thinking I would like something to mull over during the vacation... 

@seeking_brilliance Here it is. 

 

[Martin123]

3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Both empaths and narcissists have inferiority / insecurity dynamics - it just manifests differently.

yep.. 
I think you did some editing and now it's a little confusing

 

5 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Yet, I also think there is a deeper aspect in that those expressing inferiority also have underlying superiority dynamics and those expressing superiority also have underlying inferiority dynamics

Those are amazing points. 
Yeah... any time any ego is in any relationship it will be looking for a hiding spot, and that hiding spot will either be found in inferiority or superiority. 
So everyone can act superior, even the most sensitive empaths. 
The most reliable trait here to know who is where on the spectrum is self-absorbption and arrogance. People like this get too wrapped in their own viewpoint that stops them from seeing the reality of other people. Far end of the spectrum is narcissism. The other end of the spectrum is codependency, where most empaths find themselves residing, because they have already been born with an expanded viewpoint that allows them to conceive and feel the reality of others. In terms of evolution they are more evolved because of their capacity and openness. Their (our) struggle is to reclaim our power and realize that we matter just as much as everyone else, and there will be many times where we have to put ourselves first.
For the self-absorbed individual, their path is to come to the opposite realization. That's why the masculine path is mainly for them, because they need to find the discipline to drop the self-serving narratives and find a way to harmoniously coexist with others without gobbling for themselves. 
 

[zeroISinfinity]

@Martin123

Just now, Martin123 said:

yep.. 
I think you did some editing and now it's a little confusing

 

Those are amazing points. 
Yeah... any time any ego is in any relationship it will be looking for a hiding spot, and that hiding spot will either be found in inferiority or superiority. 
So everyone can act superior, even the most sensitive empaths. 
The most reliable trait here to know who is where on the spectrum is self-absorbption and arrogance. People like this get too wrapped in their own viewpoint that stops them from seeing the reality of other people. Far end of the spectrum is narcissism. The other end of the spectrum is codependency, where most empaths find themselves residing, because they have already been born with an expanded viewpoint that allows them to conceive and feel the reality of others. In terms of evolution they are more evolved because of their capacity and openness. Their (our) struggle is to reclaim our power and realize that we matter just as much as everyone else, and there will be many times where we have to put ourselves first.
For the self-absorbed individual, their path is to come to the opposite realization. That's why the masculine path is mainly for them, because they need to find the discipline to drop the self-serving narratives and find a way to harmoniously coexist with others without gobbling for themselves. 
 

High five from another empath. ?️

[Martin123]

16 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

those expressing superiority also have underlying inferiority dynamics.

I think this is also a superb thing to say. This just comes to show that every narcissist is actually an empath in the making, because beneath the layers of delusion of grandeur and self-absorbption lies a mountain of inferiority. Climbing this mountain is then the feminine path, that empaths are born into.