A Friendly Reminder

[Truthority]

Lots of talk about politics and school shootings and all that jazz. Not just here but everywhere. 

I have been here reading and watching you all for 3 years now. Didn't want to join the conversation until now. 

I am a recluse in the scandinavian wilderness. But for some reason i felt like joining the party. 

Apologies if I am little rude and abrasive or even insensitive at times. I think it's good to shake things up a little now and then. I don't do it to harm or hurt. I'm a soft cuddly bear behind all this glamour and bad poetry.

Anyways, was reminded of a quote by the great Nisargadatta Maharaj:

Quote

Q: I am asking about the immediate, the transitory, the appearance. Here is a picture of a child killed by soldiers. It is a fact - staring at you. You cannot deny it. Now, who is responsible for the death of the child? 

M: Nobody and everybody. The world is what it contains and each thing affects all others. We all kill the child and we all die with it. Every event has innumerable causes and produces numberless effects. It is useless to keep accounts, nothing is traceable.

http://nisargadatta.net/IamThat5.html

This is the book that started it all for me back in 2008. I haven't quite come across anything like it. It's right up there with the poetry of Bukowski and Rumi. Or great filmmakers like Gaspar Noé. 


He was just one of those guys you don't fuck with. 

Love you all and sorry i stepped on your toes. 

What can i say, I'm a bit clumsy and rusty with my viking wizard moves.


Leo, I have huge respect for your work. 

I know you think i'm a devil but you are only half right 

[Aakash]

8 minutes ago, Truthority said:

Q: I am asking about the immediate, the transitory, the appearance. Here is a picture of a child killed by soldiers. It is a fact - staring at you. You cannot deny it. Now, who is responsible for the death of the child? 

M: Nobody and everybody. The world is what it contains and each thing affects all others. We all kill the child and we all die with it. Every event has innumerable causes and produces numberless effects. It is useless to keep accounts, nothing is traceable.

This whole answer is a surface level answer and has no real value to truth other than god being the doer of all. sounds to me like someone who's totality of reality is pouring into others   

Now wouldn't that ironically be the actual meaning behind his own answer

that he "can't keep account of"

Edited August 6, 2019 by Aakash

[Forestluv]

“Q: I am asking about the immediate, the transitory, the appearance. Here is a picture of a child killed by soldiers. It is a fact - staring at you. You cannot deny it. Now, who is responsible for the death of the child? 

M: Nobody and everybody. The world is what it contains and each thing affects all others. We all kill the child and we all die with it. Every event has innumerable causes and produces numberless effects. It is useless to keep accounts, nothing is traceable.”

Thanks for sharing this view. I think it is very insightful and few humans realize it. I recently brought this up with a friend regarding causation of an assault and she became quite upset because this view of ultimate untraceable harm seemed quite threatening to her relatively contracted view of proximal harm. I noticed myself becoming immersed within a nondual perspective of ultimate untraceable cause. I.e. inputs of a happening can become highly numerous and complex. Eventually, inputs of a happening become infinite and collapse into a nondual one in which causation is untraceable, since there are no separate thing to be traced or to trace to. Yet, I realized this too is a duality. It is a form of a nondual vs dual duality often spoken about on the forum (also phrased as absolute vs relative). In this case, the duality is proximal traceable cause vs ultimate untraceable cause. It’s not to say either side of the duality is “wrong” or lacks value. It’s to say that upon closer inspection, the inter-connections and nuances between the duality also have partial truth and value. 

To state it is useless to keep accounts is true from the partial truth of ultimate non-traceable cause, yet false from the partial truth of proximal traceable harm. The tendency for human minds is become immersed, attached and identified with one side of duality. Here, after realizing the falsity within proximal traceable truth, the mind naturally wants to accept the opposite - ultimate nontraceable cause - as being true. Human minds are conditioned to perceive in opposites. With this mindset, we lose the partial truth and partial falsity of each opposite and the inter-connectedness and nuances between the opposites. Eventually, the duality of opposition collapses.

[Natasha]

31 minutes ago, Truthority said:

Love you all

We love you too

[Truthority]

23 hours ago, Aakash said:

This whole answer is a surface level answer

I suggest you read it again and contemplate it. 

I am the school shooter. All of them
I am the victims
I am the president
I am the supporter of gun laws
I am the parent of victims
I am the gun
I am Trump
I am Hilary

We are all in this together. 

That is what true UNITY is. To not separate ourselves from the problems we like to externalize.

Like the cross... two lines joining and forming this beautiful symbol. 

 

23 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Thanks for sharing this view. I think it is very insightful and few humans realize it.

Yes, extremely so. In fact, that is the only thing from the book I remember
But it always comes back to me. Especially when all these tragedies are happening

Like mcdonalds every single day

 

23 hours ago, Natasha said:

We love you too

Beautiful photos

you made my heart feel warm so thank you love child

[Truthority]

@Natasha Your post reminded me of a quote from Richard Bach 

The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. 

[Natasha]

4 minutes ago, Truthority said:

@Natasha Your post reminded me of a quote from Richard Bach 

The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. 

Awesome quote and so true

[seeking_brilliance]

I kept waiting for the rudeness... you seem to be really bad at it.

[FoxFoxFox]

@Truthority Welcome to the club, We have fun and games. 

[FoxFoxFox]

@Truthority I gotta say though dude, that's one hell of a cocktail, Rumi and Bukowski. Happy to meet a fellow poetry lover.

[Truthority]

22 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

I kept waiting for the rudeness... you seem to be really bad at it.

Oh shit, i might have to level up my game although I dont think Leo would like that. 
 

21 hours ago, FoxFoxFox said:

@Truthority Welcome to the club, We have fun and games. 

Yes it's quite a palace. Love the architecture.