The Greatest Act of Love

[Forestluv]

44 minutes ago, Shaun said:

That's really going to help me when I take the form of a Chinese sweat shop worker who botches their suicide and dies in agony.

This is dependent on your current understanding of “me”. You are conflating personal and trans-personal concepts. At the personal level, this is a recipe for disaster and will cause an immense amount of needless suffering.

Notice how immersed you are in this narrative. It is as if you are convinced a stick is a snake and being held hostage by it. Assuming it is a snake and insisting on speaking about how dangerous snakes are will keep you trapped. Yet letting go of the attachment and identification of being held hostage by a snake can be extremely difficult. It doesn’t seem like it should, but letting go of that delusional identity is letting go of one’s identity. It can be hard to say goodbye to the stick, stand up and walk off into a new uncertainty.

[Aeris]

What lack life to be great for you ? 

All Dreams could be true. You could defeat darkness from the world.

At one point embrass it. Then Come back

[Shaun]

1 minute ago, Aeris said:

What lack life to be great for you ? 

All Dreams could be true. You could defeat darkness from the world.

At one point embrass it. Then Come back

It is very unlikely that I can end all darkness in the world. I am a part of the creation and as such, my control over it is limited.

[SoonHei]

@Shaun can work on things in his world to improve the quality of his life.

There's no easy way to a good/better life, however, YOU can be free of the suffering, by taking life easy.

There's also the ultimate freedom if YOU want that, but that new life will cost you your old one...

 

Think of it this way.

I will use Harry Potter for YOU again but now it's brought to the big-screen

harry potter in the movie is played by Daniel Radcliffe.

what we know as both Harry Potter and Daniel Radcliffe is the same person.

15 hours ago, Shaun said:

There's really no escape from reality, is there?

Now, in Harry's world, there is actually an "escape" from reality - but it's not for Harry... It's for Daniel Radcliffe!
Daniel is not worried about the happenings of Harry's world or Harry's personal troubles. He simply is aware that he is an actor playing a part of a character named Harry. Therein lies the freedom for YOU as well - YOU are playing a part of a character named Shaun.

 

15 hours ago, Shaun said:

My direct experience is undeniable proof that there is an experience.

Same way, what I am saying above can also be in YOUR direct experience! - YOU can come to see this for yourself... that YOU are not Shaun... but are playing the character of Shaun. 

This means, upon realization of what is being said here, granted it doesn't shock the heck outta YOU and you're able to integrate it overnight for example, you will still continue to have to pay your bills, go to work and deal with your issues but without the immense weight of suffering or worry... because YOU will see Life for what it is. A play of God. 

& then YOU simply play... like you play sports. There can be times where it gets heated and intense as you're fiercely involved in/with Life but YOU will always know in the back of your mind, that this is just a game... a game of Life. A sports, called Life.

Edited July 31, 2019 by SoonHei
clarity and format

[kieranperez]

9 minutes ago, Shaun said:

My direct experience is undeniable proof that there is an experience. If there was no experience, then I would have not made my post.

Notice the belief and the assumption there. 

Im telling you. I’m not here to debate. Not discuss or do you job at destroying all your beliefs. That’s your job. If you don’t want to do your job then yeah, you’ll keep assuming this stuff and you’ll be utterly convinced. Keep spinning your wheels in believing there is evil and all this stuff that you believe is external. All we can tell you is that you’re flat out wrong. The rest is up to you to see for yourself.

[Shaun]

2 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

Notice the belief and the assumption there. 

Im telling you. I’m not here to debate. Not discuss or do you job at destroying all your beliefs. That’s your job. If you don’t want to do your job then yeah, you’ll keep assuming this stuff and you’ll be utterly convinced. Keep spinning your wheels in believing there is evil and all this stuff that you believe is external. All we can tell you is that you’re flat out wrong. The rest is up to you to see for yourself.

I see it for myself every day. I experience suffering, it's utterly undeniable and happens whether I believe in it or not. I don't believe that turning the blind eye and focussing on the positive makes all suffering in the world go away.

[Aeris]

10 minutes ago, Shaun said:

It is very unlikely that I can end all darkness in the world. I am a part of the creation and as such, my control over it is limited.

are video games not already a catalyst for our dark monkey pulsion ? We can't transcend darkness into fairy ? we don't know what we are not aware of.

sure there is lot of bad, but porn, probably reduced seriously rape. ( STILL PROBLEMS OFC, but we all try it out )

shoot games allowed people to always kill each others without doing it "for real", violent pulsion catalysed.

maybe one day, if no one lack of something, there will be no "darkness"

but to see and believe that you have to transcend the mecanic "need/desire" inside your mind.

don't comit bs death, take a huge dose of psychedelics then and ask all your questions, can't be worst than your current state, would it be ?

maybe humans would transfert their minds in a biologic body without need & lack, and so without egoic need, would that still work, I m no authority on the question.

 

I cannot tell you that is possible, I don't know, but I m not sure it's not possible neither. A world where judgement and hate doesn't exist is very possible, you can maybe not experience it fully in your lifetime, but it's not even sure, internet is changing the collective subconscious in radical ways.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Aeris

[kieranperez]

11 minutes ago, Shaun said:

I see it for myself every day. I experience suffering, it's utterly undeniable and happens whether I believe in it or not. I don't believe that turning the blind eye and focussing on the positive makes all suffering in the world go away.

Positive and negative don’t exist. I’m not telling you to focus on what’s positive. I’m telling you to focus on what’s true. You’re fabricating all these stories and perceptions whether you like it or not. Whether you’re aware of it or not. 

[Shaun]

8 minutes ago, Aeris said:

are video games not already a catalyst for our dark monkey pulsion ? We can't transcend darkness into fairy ? we don't know what we are not aware of.

sure there is lot of bad, but porn, probably reduced seriously rape. ( STILL PROBLEMS OFC, but we all try it out )

shoot games allowed people to always kill each others without doing it "for real", violent pulsion catalysed.

maybe one day, if no one lack of something, there will be no "darkness"

but to see and believe that you have to transcend the mecanic "need/desire" inside your mind.

don't comit bs death, take a huge dose of psychedelics then and ask all your questions, can't be worst than your current state, would it be ?

maybe humans would transfert their minds in a biologic body without need & lack, and so without egoic need, would that still work, I m no authority on the question.

 

I cannot tell you that is possible, I don't know, but I m not sure it's not possible neither. A world where judgement and hate doesn't exist is very possible, you can maybe not experience it fully in your lifetime, but it's not even sure, internet is changing the collective subconscious in radical ways.

Good points apart from the psychedelics. On 2 grams of mushrooms I nearly irreversibly damaged my mental health. It was the limit of what I could be present with and hold space for. Any more than that and I would be in a mental hospital. These substances aren't for everyone. What I experienced on mushrooms was far worse than my current state.

[Aeris]

how would be your mind if you were born on a island without any humans ?

real or not, just go through this mental visualisation without any drug, work hard on what kind of guy you would be and what you would believe in if you were only an human living alone on an island.

how would you think your belief would build and stack this way ? would you be angry against the fruit to not being efficient ? of course you can, or not. then it is to you to work upon fruit.

most humans need movements,

did you read marc aurèle ? stoicism is not in deny of reality, could be that what you lack of right now.

 

I m not saying darkness is not real, but it is and is not.

[Nahm]

“Try saying... thank you, I have no complaints”.  

Eckhart Tolle

[seeking_brilliance]

It's completely sick. (To some perspectives).  To some perspectives it's not sick at all to butcher a cow which at least 25% of the meat in stores (overall) go expired. Or not evil to mindlessly go through a 24 pack of water bottles per week. Who cares where all that plastic ends up? Out of sight, out of mind.  

You are trying too hard to grasp what God is.  You won't justify any of the world's injustices by asking why.  Instead, surrender and it will be presented to you. (or the question falls away either way you will be satisfied)  

Can you share what it is that is causing you so much suffering? Serious hardships in life? What's going on? 

 

[DrewNows]

Here you go buddy @Shaun

“You know where you are!? You’re in the Jungle baby! You’re gonna die!!!” 

Welcome to the Jungle, can you accept and take responsibility for it? 

Perhaps death IS the greatest act of Love. This being said, I don’t necessarily mean physical death. To truly love, can there even be a sense of self?  

 

[Preetom]

@SoonHei

I was about to bring in the movie analogy but you already nailed it. It cant get any cleaner than that!

Love ya brother!

Its a wonder why we don't complain or ban all the dark themed literature, art, video games, sports, movies, dramas, fictions, dreams and nightmares where abuse and suffering is rampant. In fact we voluntarily line up to consume them. There are multi billon dollars industries that cater just to this human need of getting juice outta sufferings and dark themes.

But when that same things happen to a story involving 'me', all shit break loose ?

I remember reading in a book by Eckhart Tolle how twisted this concept of 'me' is. A car gets stolen. If its the neighbor's car, no one bats an eye. If its my car, its devastation.

What kind of sorcery is that? ?

Edited July 31, 2019 by Preetom

[Shaun]

3 hours ago, Preetom said:

@SoonHei

I was about to bring in the movie analogy but you already nailed it. It cant get any cleaner than that!

Love ya brother!

Its a wonder why we don't complain or ban all the dark themed literature, art, video games, sports, movies, dramas, fictions, dreams and nightmares where abuse and suffering is rampant. In fact we voluntarily line up to consume them. There are multi billon dollars industries that cater just to this human need of getting juice outta sufferings and dark themes.

But when that same things happen to a story involving 'me', all shit break loose ?

I remember reading in a book by Eckhart Tolle how twisted this concept of 'me' is. A car gets stolen. If its the neighbor's car, no one bats an eye. If its my car, its devastation.

What kind of sorcery is that? ?

Movies are images on a screen. We enjoy them because there's nobody there suffering. You people can not distinguish fantasy from reality and that's worrying.

[Preetom]

43 minutes ago, Shaun said:

Movies are images on a screen. We enjoy them because there's nobody there suffering. You people can not distinguish fantasy from reality and that's worrying.

yes, find out that entity that suffers. I dare you.

 

[seeking_brilliance]

Damn... Ignored twice in the thread... Should I feel special? If I was God with all its powers, I would never be ignored! ??

[Aeris]

32 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Damn... Ignored twice in the thread... Should I feel special? If I was God with all its powers, I would never be ignored! ??

You're still sleeping

[seeking_brilliance]

8 minutes ago, Aeris said:

You're still sleeping

Yes my dream characters tend to ignore me alot. Spot on! 

[Aeris]

the absolute is not a dream or a word or a concept, or a belief.

it is what IS in the experience.

if you think that is a dream, the wake up could be very hard.

wake up or sleep anyway whatever, I m loosing my time here