Is music relative?

[TheAvatarState]

Music is often referred to as the universal language. Just a few minutes ago, I watched a 5-meo trip report on YouTube where the guy describes infinite love expressed as a song he used to know in a previous existence but had long forgotten. He described it as "coming home," Terrence McKenna described the DMT realm as inhabited by machine elves that sang matter into existence. In The Teachings of Don Juan, songs were sacred and able to transcend space, time, and dimensions. Mescalito loves music. Even I have had direct experience with entities urging me to sing.

So my question is: Is music relative? At first glance, this notion seems silly... OF COURSE it's relative! Music is a flow of notes over time (relative). It must have a beat, time signature, key, certain audible frequency, etc... all of these characteristics we generally associate with music are relative to our human experience. But what if our notion of "music" is extremely limited? What if there's something more here that transcends our reality? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this! 

[Forestluv]

@TheAvatarState

It depends if you want to draw distinctions or not. Is a jadakot relative? Well what the heck is a jadakot? We would need to make it a thing that is not another thing. We can create distinctions and say a jadakot is the size of a football and in the ocean. Now we have a thing relative to other things that are not the size of a football and are not in the ocean. Yet we don’t have a thing relative to other things the size of a football that live in the ocean. At this point, all things the size of a football in the ocean are jadakots. We could draw more distinctions if we wanted to.

Simply creating the distinction of “music” already makes it relative in many contexts. For example, music is not a tuna fish sandwich. We can create an infinite number of distinctions and aspects of relativism.

[TheAvatarState]

@Serotoninluv ok, so you're telling me I need to define music by setting boundaries on it. The thing is, what is traditionally defined as music DOES NOT explain the seemingly universal phenomena surrounding it. It seems to be "understood" by animals and even extra dimensional beings. So it is in fact not relative to us humans. My point is that we must have an extremely limited boundary of what we think music is. I can't set distinctions for music any more than I can fora jadakot, which to me is pretty exciting.

[Forestluv]

@TheAvatarState I think the idea of music as a universal means of communication among humans and non-humans is super interesting. I don’t mean to be a technical metaphysical cop here and spoil the fun. ?

I often notice animals communicating with each other via what I would consider music - such as bird songs and whale calls. Could plants and animals have forms of music humans are not “in tune with”? I often observe flying insects like butterflies dance together in the air. Are they in tune with a form of music humans are not? Could humans create music that resonates with animals and plants?

[Truth Addict]

@TheAvatarState

Aren't psychedelics relative as well? Isn't music sacred just as much?

[Nahm]

7 hours ago, TheAvatarState said:

Even I have had direct experience with entities urging me to sing.

Seriously, what more could be needed. Add me to the list. Sing   Absolutely lose your self in it. 

[Aeris]

7 hours ago, TheAvatarState said:

@Serotoninluv ok, so you're telling me I need to define music by setting boundaries on it. The thing is, what is traditionally defined as music DOES NOT explain the seemingly universal phenomena surrounding it. It seems to be "understood" by animals and even extra dimensional beings. So it is in fact not relative to us humans. My point is that we must have an extremely limited boundary of what we think music is. I can't set distinctions for music any more than I can fora jadakot, which to me is pretty exciting.

extra dimensional beings ?

[TheAvatarState]

@Aeris it was during a trip, it would be fruitless to explain

[Aeris]

25 minutes ago, TheAvatarState said:

@Aeris it was during a trip, it would be fruitless to explain

no explain me, I m groundless, is that something in the psyche or do you believe in multivers and this kind of theory ?

I m all hearing