I dont exist

[Peanut]

Hey! Ive been following act.org for a while and lurking tho forum for tips on how to better my self and to read about you guyses perspecives and experiences. But never really felt the need to share anything myself. This insight i really wanted to share tho haha and most ppl i know would probably think im crasy or smth. 

I just realized that i don't exist, and come to think about it non of you do either. I know you all heard about this before but i just thought id share this small story of how i got this insight.

Ive been meditating for 2 years now and last month or so ive been getting in to some states where i truly observe everything thats irising in me so thoughts, feelings etc. I started to realize that what you put your attntion on or what you are aware of is what becomes "real" in the sence of actually happening at that time. If you focus completly on a sensation that sensation is what is "real" at that time. F.ex. when i was our running to day, i notced clearly that i can simply chose to not focus on my thoughts complaining about that pain. (That actually makes the pain go away basically) And so as i got home now i realised, as i was cooking that I am just a bunch of learned behaviours that exist and come in to "reality" only when I am aware of them. 

So what is truly real? well i gues the answer is awarness it self. Idk what that is tho. 

[Gili Trawangan]

You're on the right track  keep meditating and start relaxing attention. If you don't put your attention on any objects (thoughts, feelings or perceptions) you will eventually find out what awareness is.

[SoonHei]

@Peanut yup

you can have 2 thoughts: happy and sad

you think sad thoughts - you become sad and attract sad experiences

you think happy thoughts - you become happy and attract happy experiences 

 

what will you think today?

yes. you still may very well think negative/sad thoughts...  

the moment you note that you're thinking negative. STOP. and drop the tendency to continue and finish that thought-story.

and start a happy thought-story

and if you aint got no happy thought to think then remain silent

 

the

"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

approach

 

[Peanut]

@Soonhei

Yes thank you. Good advice.:)

[cetus]

@Peanut Your heading in the right direction developing that "silent witness" (awareness) of thoughts. That is what is "real". By "real" I mean that which does not change/ does not come and go. Awareness simply IS. -Be that.

[Nahm]

@Peanut Awesome. Thanks for sharing. 

[Mu_]

5 hours ago, Peanut said:

Hey! Ive been following act.org for a while and lurking tho forum for tips on how to better my self and to read about you guyses perspecives and experiences. But never really felt the need to share anything myself. This insight i really wanted to share tho haha and most ppl i know would probably think im crasy or smth. 

I just realized that i don't exist, and come to think about it non of you do either. I know you all heard about this before but i just thought id share this small story of how i got this insight.

Ive been meditating for 2 years now and last month or so ive been getting in to some states where i truly observe everything thats irising in me so thoughts, feelings etc. I started to realize that what you put your attntion on or what you are aware of is what becomes "real" in the sence of actually happening at that time. If you focus completly on a sensation that sensation is what is "real" at that time. F.ex. when i was our running to day, i notced clearly that i can simply chose to not focus on my thoughts complaining about that pain. (That actually makes the pain go away basically) And so as i got home now i realised, as i was cooking that I am just a bunch of learned behaviours that exist and come in to "reality" only when I am aware of them. 

So what is truly real? well i gues the answer is awarness it self. Idk what that is tho. 

“I”s don’t exist except in symbols but You and Us do. 

[Conrad]

5 hours ago, Peanut said:

Hey! Ive been following act.org for a while and lurking tho forum for tips on how to better my self and to read about you guyses perspecives and experiences. But never really felt the need to share anything myself. This insight i really wanted to share tho haha and most ppl i know would probably think im crasy or smth. 

I just realized that i don't exist, and come to think about it non of you do either. I know you all heard about this before but i just thought id share this small story of how i got this insight.

Ive been meditating for 2 years now and last month or so ive been getting in to some states where i truly observe everything thats irising in me so thoughts, feelings etc. I started to realize that what you put your attntion on or what you are aware of is what becomes "real" in the sence of actually happening at that time. If you focus completly on a sensation that sensation is what is "real" at that time. F.ex. when i was our running to day, i notced clearly that i can simply chose to not focus on my thoughts complaining about that pain. (That actually makes the pain go away basically) And so as i got home now i realised, as i was cooking that I am just a bunch of learned behaviours that exist and come in to "reality" only when I am aware of them. 

So what is truly real? well i gues the answer is awarness it self. Idk what that is tho. 

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Now you just need to become conscious of what you are, which is God itself. You will know what God is, that God exists and what it means for you to be God once you become conscious of God. You can do this by becoming aware of awareness itself by asking and inquiring into ''What is aware? What is awareness? What is experience?'' This is the first step towards realizing God directly. Becoming conscious of God is nothing other than knowledge of oneself as the Only One.

[possibilities]

 

@Peanut Everything is just a belief but believe what you want of course, this is your game and your game alone to play.

To me the trick is to not get attached like many people do here who merely rearrange their beliefs (I.e. from non believer to believer). 

They’re not seeing the game of belief at play here deeply enough, so to me, they fall for its deceptive powers.

I have many theories about things, but these theories are just reference frames relative to what I have experienced or one step further, what experiences I believe have experienced. Because in the end who knows, maybe anything, like maybe nothing about this has any truth or real-ness to it whatsoever, my body-mind likes to keep its options open, perhaps I could have been created just a few moments ago and I’ve been programmed to experience (I.e. beliefs) everything up to this moment.

This isn’t a popular way to go because many body-minds have that “need to belong” and it’s obviously really strong for humans, whether it be the belief in a self, non belief in a self and an “oh I see through the illusion now”, whether it be their belief in meditation; and “that’s the way to go” or “I am enlightened now”, or “I am in stage orange/yellow/turquoise!”, or “I am at the highest degree of ego development relative to this prestigious so and so!!!”

The list goes on and on, same thing from culture to culture, demographic to demographic, these consciousnesses are just wearing different clothing and in doing so, names to go by.

I really want to see a pink elephant demographic though haha, that is a whole group of people that believe themselves to be pink elephants. It’d be humorous.

Perspective is key.

Edited July 25, 2019 by possibilities

[Gili Trawangan]

18 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Everything is just a belief

This is a belief. 

[possibilities]

 

6 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

This is a belief. 

So is that. Haha.

What’s more likely to be true, something you believe outside of this moment or the fact that you’re reading this comment right now? Or that you can read anything at all? 

It’s an aspect of subtle differences in belief that need to be taken into consideration.

Leo specialises in the art of rearranging belief. This is not bad/good but it’s something I’m guessing most people that visit here probably don’t understand the mechanics of.

 

[Gili Trawangan]

4 minutes ago, possibilities said:

 

So is that. Haha.

What’s more likely to be true, something you believe outside of this moment or the fact that you’re reading this comment right now? Or that you can read anything at all? 

It’s an aspect of subtle differences in belief that need to be taken into consideration.

Leo specialises in the art of rearranging belief. This is not bad/good but it’s something I’m guessing most people that visit here probably don’t understand the mechanics of.

 

I know that it seems that way. I think one of Leo's most spot on teachings is when he suggests that you keep an open mind and keep the hypothesis - for a while - of something existing which is Absolutely True.

You don't have to believe it. In fact you shouldn't, the work is about transcending all beliefs, concepts, all thought, all language...

Some people claim to have realized a truth that is Absolute. This much you know. Instead of going against these people, why don't you just suspend your judgment for a while and try to find this Absolute truth? For yourself, because no one else can show it to you. 

Who knows, it might be worth it

[possibilities]

 

You don’t understand yet. Your consciousness is a belief making machine, you’ve just created the belief that I’m somehow “against” someone here. I recommend you notice that.

Oh I am open minded haha, Leo’s mentioned nothing new to me though I have learned from him.

You’ve brought up this topic so I’ll be frank about it.

He’s just a dude, one of 300 million plus other people in the US, we’re all learning from one another. I think Leo and any teacher for that matter is being gullible if they take what they say as absolute truth, they’re not aware enough of their own short potential comings if that’s the case, that’s the same for any person attempting to teach. And as for other people taking what any person says as absolute truth without proper thinking, well to the butcher with them, as they’re not doing themselves any favours.

What I find interesting is that it seems Leo has an agenda, this is clear. Again this isn’t bad/good I’m just pointing out the obvious and I’m sure Leo isn’t going to take offence. He is strategising about the kinds of beliefs he shares, the ways in which he says them and the kind of response he wants to generate from his viewers. In his use of certain words on the forum for example, there’s the expectation that you know of and follow in accord with his teaching, this is indicative of someone that wants to create a culture. And this is the nature of his endeavour here, you see that pattern play out more systematically as time progresses. And although I have learned from him as stated, I’ll be honest and say I am a little skeptical about the manner in which he attempts to teach (many contradictions, no written content, lengthy videos as opposed to systematically organised videos that can be interpreted in a more organised way).

Theres no need to hide open conversation as to his motives, it’s just plain honest talk. Moreover there isn’t one teaching I can think of that is flat out wrong, so in this sense I’ve discovered value, but again he’s just a dude and we all need refinement. He believes himself to be trans now, and that’s cool to, his body-mind can believe whatever it wants. 

In that sense, this isn’t what I’d call an “open forum”, it is a forum in which he teaches his beliefs to others and the uncritical mass of people walk in wide eyed and gullible or the cynical shun away and criticise. 

I am neither, any ideas you have that differ are mere beliefs, thought structures based on your reference experiences.

Its a fascinating study in some ways actually, I mean given the way the US operates it’s really nothing new, they (from government to business to otherwise) specialise in propagandising the public, conformity, marketing manipulation and so on so Leo has been indoctrinated in a way to become a teacher who generates and propagates beliefs. His goal if I’m correct is to do his best at propagating the best beliefs he knows and can create based on what he believes to be his consciousness work. So in as much as this is true you could probably say that this is a noble goal, however in saying that, it would do people much good if they spent most of their time working out how beliefs are constructed in and by their consciousness, much revelations will come to them from this endeavour and they’ll be much more protected by those who have blatant malicious intent.

All in all Leo’s all good, a bit dogmatic relative to what I’ve experienced in life and where I’m from but that’s just from what I’ve experienced and have come to know in my own mind, of which, I recommend you make little assumptions about.

But yeah, of course, as point already stated, all of this is just belief stuff.

 

 

Edited July 25, 2019 by possibilities

[Gili Trawangan]

@possibilities Good luck on your journey, sincerely. All the best.

[possibilities]

But what if I’m the next Hitler? Would you have killed Hitler if you were a nurse in the hospital in which he was born and you (1) were not going to get caught (2) knew he would grow up to become Hitler? 

This is actually a trick question and I’ll break the ice quickly, it goes to the nature of absolute truth. See the correct response, reasonably speaking, is to not kill Adolf (his first name), because you’d have to be mad to believe that it was the absolute truth he was going to grow up to be Hitler. So absolute truth to me is reserved for the mad, I work more probabilistically haha.

So based on that little story, thanks and likewise.

 

 

Edited July 25, 2019 by possibilities