Going through the spiral

[Raphael]

This teacher is really good at discussing social issues but can be shocking and controversial.

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Raphael

[Raphael]

Discussions on racism need to happen, repression doesn't work. And the actualized.org forum is the perfect place to discuss these issues if we keep trolls away.

[Raphael]

I think I'm done with racism at least for the moment. I shared about what I had the most on my heart:

• My subtle intrusive thoughts and micro fears on black people
• My resentment about Indian culture
• My experience as a mixed-race individual

[Raphael]

Need Vs Want

What is the difference between a need and a want? Isn't it a need an unconscious want and a want a conscious need? Can a need be conscious and a want be unconscious?

What is the difference between:

• Needing a relationship and wanting a relationship
• Needing being funny and wanting to be funny
• Needing food and wanting food
• Needing being intellectual and wanting to be intellectual
• Needing a computer and wanting a computer
• Needing money and wanting money
• Needing toilet paper and wanting toilet paper
• Needing jewels and wanting jewels
• Needing an identity and wanting an identity
• Needing an education and wanting an education
• Needing a book and wanting a book
• Needing a job and wanting a job
• Needing oxygen and wanting oxygen
• Needing rest and wanting rest
• Needing physical exercise and wanting physical exercise

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[Raphael]

 

[Raphael]

I'm wondering if it's normal to go back to previous emotional states that I felt that I outgrow while working on my traumas and doing changes. I'm currently feeling more anger like I was feeling 2 - 3 years ago.

[Raphael]

I didn't sleep of the entire night. I felt incredibly agitated and had trouble to breathe properly. I'm completely exhausted. I have work to do, but this is tough.

[Raphael]

I'm not sure if this Spiral Dynamics assessment is valid, but this is what I get. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19-qdQeSjKlcvEgITTMuy2qaHxJFxF3pYsYOupJCKV7o/edit#gid=172618363

 

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[Raphael]

There's a part of me that is under complete deep existential shock.

[Raphael]

Some people hated me just for existing as a human being.

[Raphael]

What Releasing a Trauma Looks Like

This is probably one of the most powerful scene in the entire show. That's what releasing a trauma looks like: pure existential rage.

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Raphael

[Roy]

Sorry to barge in your thread again, I recalled our conversation and remembered something I forgot to ask a while ago.

What do people do for fun on an island in the Indian Ocean like Mauritius ?

Lots of hanging out at the beach obviously, surfing, sun tanning, boating and fishing. Do people island hop a lot after exhausting the island?

[Raphael]

@Roy

It's fine, you can comment here.

Yeah, they are activities related to the beach. I used to go to the beach each Saturday when I was a kid. They are activities like surfing, kit surfing, water-skiing, camping in front of beaches. People don't do sun tanning that much, most of them don't need that. However, I don't think that most people spend that much time on beaches because the country needs to work and for that many other things need to be maintained. We used a see mostly tourists on beaches rather than locals until Covid ended everything.

On 5/6/2021 at 2:14 PM, Roy said:

Do people island hop a lot after exhausting the island?

What do you mean here? Hopping literally? lol

[Raphael]

@Roy

As an anecdote, I was swimming when I saw this guy walking with his camera. I was behind him around 2:00 - 3:00, but he didn't get me

 

[Roy]

5 hours ago, Raphael said:

What do you mean here? Hopping literally? lol

Like boating from one island to the other after a few days like a tour.

[Raphael]

10 hours ago, Roy said:

Like boating from one island to the other after a few days like a tour.

Not really because most people don't have the money for this, but it would be fun.

[Raphael]

About Turning Actualized.org into a Cult

On 4/5/2021 at 0:19 AM, Raphael said:

All of Leo's attempts to prevent actualized.org turning into a cult will fail.

Ok. That was maybe a bit too pessimistic. However, I still think that the possibility of actualized.org becoming a cult or at least a light-cult is real.

Leo mentioned in his video that he envisaged shutting down Youtube comments and also shutting down this forum. I think that it can backfire because:

1. Newbies who discover actualized.org will have a lot of questions and will have no one to communicate with.
2. They will not communicate with relatives because the information is very radical. Therefore they will be afraid of being seen as crazy and deluded.
3. This will lead to a beginner creating an unofficial online community to communicate and the one who will create it will be seen as the leader. However, this newbie will not be developed and will only get ego boost from other people and will turn into a zen devil.
4. This unofficial community will turn into a cult or cult-like because of lack of awareness.

I'm not sure if Leo is aware of this possibility, maybe he is, I can't know with certainty, but it didn't seem to be the case in his video. This looks like a strange loop: by taking so many precautions to not turn actualized.org into a cult, he is actually contributing to the creation of a cult.

Here are best case scenarios that I see:

• Someone will maybe try to create an unofficial community without being a newbie and will do it out of compassion.
• Nothing serious will happen and Leo will die, but the teachings will still be available and some people will misinterpret them.

actualized.org ain't the truth, but a collection of pointers to the truth.

Also, collective ego is unavoidable. People will confuse the truth with pointers, this is already the case for some people on this forum. The real question is how much collective ego is tolerable?

I really hope actualized.org never becomes mainstream. To stay uncorrupted, teachings have to not being widespread... but Leo recently created a new channel with short video clips to open actualized.org to more people...

Some of my concerns can also be selfish because I'm afraid. I don't want this community to die because I'm egoic, because I'm attached to it, and because I grew so much from it by just reading the discussions on this forum.

In the end, consciousness will do what is necessary... so we will see how it goes in the next decades.

 

[Raphael]

Why do spiritualists have a disdain for psychological theory and concepts?

Best thread that I read recently, there's a lot of good information inside. I often noticed this issue with spiritual people of not adressing the problem to where someone is at. However, I recently had an insight from Nahm that brought me some understanding.

 

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