What distinguishes an "insight" from a belief?

[lmfao]

I see Leo or other people here typing insights they've had, I've typed "insights" I've had. But I don't see them as any different from beliefs.

Right now I am communicating through the domain of assumptions by using language, and in our assumptions these insights we get from consciousness work just help as pointers. Would you say it is no more than that? 

[Aakash]

Insights are direct truths, as direct as truth can get in dualistic terms. 

[abrakamowse]

I don't know if everyone feels the same, but an insight for me it comes almost instantly, there's no verbal communication like when you are thinking "I have to go to the grocery" for example... 

:-)

It's more like some truth that hits you in an instant. Then after the insight arises I have to translate it to myself verbally to understand what it is about. No language on an insight, instant knowing.

Edited July 6, 2019 by abrakamowse

[ardacigin]

Insight is experiential. Belief is conceptual. Insight also comes as an 'epiphany'. You realize and clarify a misunderstood/unconscious aspect of reality. It is direct experience.

[Leo Gura]

A belief is not an insight.

To understand what an insight is you'd need to have an insight about the nature of insight.

[lmfao]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

A belief is not an insight.

To understand what an insight is you'd need to have an insight about the nature of insight.

@Leo Gura So you're saying an insight is something which you feel, rather the something you "think". Because whatever the insight is, it cannot be verbally communicated. 

[Leo Gura]

@lmfao It's not a feeling either. Insight is consciousness's ability to understand itself.

As in: Eureka!

[SoonHei]

@lmfao it can also be like something that finally *clicks* 

Mini insight...

Or something obvious you're not getting and then suddenly you get it and go.. oooooHh

[tedens]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@lmfao It's not a feeling either. Insight is consciousness's ability to understand itself.

As in: Eureka!

..and goes with feelings.

[Nahm]

An insight is a realization of a deeper truth of reality, but not yet in recognition of being (contextual), however, a ‘step towards’, an unveiling. In route to epiphanies, realizations, enlightenment, revelation, apocalypse, Actuality Of Being.

A belief is context which masks the actuality more so - a ‘step away’, another veil. Mere protection of the unprotectable.

[zeroISinfinity]

20 hours ago, Nahm said:

Mere protection of the unprotectable.

Do you meant apocalypse. 

No no no this destroys me. Last thing you really want. ?

Survival of giant Web of BS. 

 

Edited July 8, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[mandyjw]

An insight spoken or written out seems like a belief until it hits you at the right time. It's like you want to know the answer to a question, even though maybe you haven't actually raised the question or been conscious of the desire to understand. Then you see it and something is fulfilled. You know you've found the right teacher or learning environment when you keep getting those moments by listening to them, then a time comes when those insights stop appearing to come outside of yourself. 

Collective consciousnesses is just Humpty Dumpty learning to put himself back together again. 

[tsuki]

On 6.07.2019 at 4:17 PM, lmfao said:

I see Leo or other people here typing insights they've had, I've typed "insights" I've had. But I don't see them as any different from beliefs.

Right now I am communicating through the domain of assumptions by using language, and in our assumptions these insights we get from consciousness work just help as pointers. Would you say it is no more than that? 

No. Insights are not beliefs.

Insight is a shift in being, a small fire that can be harnessed to heat something up, to express creatively.
Insights cannot be captured in words, but they can be expressed as riddles that can unwrap the contractions in consciousness, like koans.
Beliefs are dead, insights are vibrant and alive. Beliefs add, while insights clear.

[Truth Addict]

Distraction.

[abrakamowse]

4 hours ago, tsuki said:

Beliefs add, while insights clear.

Nice description

[Conrad]

On 07/07/2019 at 3:04 AM, Leo Gura said:

@lmfao It's not a feeling either. Insight is consciousness's ability to understand itself.

As in: Eureka!

This. You look at your mother and directly recognise she is your mother. At the same way, you look at yourself and directly recognise that you are The One. Consciousness becomes conscious of itself. It sees itself and realizes it's All, it's I. It's God. 

Edited July 9, 2019 by Conrad

[lmfao]

 

On 07/07/2019 at 2:04 AM, Leo Gura said:

@lmfao It's not a feeling either. Insight is consciousness's ability to understand itself.

As in: Eureka!

@Leo GuraWhat do you mean by "understand" here exactly? Most of the time the word "understand" is used in reference to a conceptual grasp of something. So in what sense is the word "understand" meaningful here? 

What's the stance you've personally taken in how you talk about the various experiences you have? For example, how are you to talk about various psychedelic experiences.  Whats your overall attitude towards the issue of communication? 

 

On 07/07/2019 at 2:47 PM, Nahm said:

An insight is a realization of a deeper truth of reality, but not yet in recognition of being (contextual), however, a ‘step towards’, an unveiling. In route to epiphanies, realizations, enlightenment, revelation, apocalypse, Actuality Of Being.

A belief is context which masks the actuality more so - a ‘step away’, another veil. Mere protection of the unprotectable.

@Nahm What do you mean by there being some realisation that is not yet in the "recognition of being"? Why is it not in the recognition of being?

In what form is this "realization"? The common element I'm getting from all these responses is the feeling of "eureka".

 

@tsuki Good response with you framing it as a shift in being, need it be said that the riddle isn't the insight itself

 

On 08/07/2019 at 0:13 PM, mandyjw said:

An insight spoken or written out seems like a belief until it hits you at the right time.

@mandyjw Well two things come to mind, obviously the insight itself isn't the words you use and also like you pointed out just because someone uses words doesn't mean there's a "belief".

Theres a problem with how the word "belief" is defined. I imagine that even if someone is enlightened, they'll still function in the world and use certain metaphysics to operate without "believing" in those metaphysics. Yet to an outside observer the difference between them "believing" what they say versus them "not believing" what they say cant be ascertained.

Problem also arises with how you define "you", who is it that is having the belief. If you look at psychological literature there are all sorts of labels about the different parts of you. Terms like "id" , "ego" , "superego" , "shadow" , "unconscious" , "subconscious", these terms all exist because we can't figure out who we are and what constitutes ourself.

What part of you has the belief? Different parts of you would have different forms and different ways of "believing"?

Edited July 9, 2019 by lmfao

[mandyjw]

@lmfao Stealing from Abraham hicks here, "a belief is a thought you keep thinking."

Imagine that you're standing in the dark on a mountain. You're thinking to yourself there's a lake to the east, a hill to the west and you keep trying to remember the lay of the land in your head. Then there's a flash of lightning and you see the entire lay of the land for a second clearly. Then the flash is gone and you're left with the image in your head, understanding. You don't have to try to remember using words of things and their specific locations, you "see" without seeing. 

[Aaron p]

Inner knowing

[Nahm]

@lmfao The insights are on the way to the epiphanies Thought patterns (beliefs) about self, reality, and God are what’s “filtering” them. In seeking, meditating, contemplating, looking for the Truth, bits here & there are revealed - a little light makes it through the filters. Follow the insights, you’re ‘going in the right direction’. 

“Recognition of Being”... consider....

When you seek to understand someone, or be understood - there is a “falling for the illusion of understanding”, which inherently “others”, or, intrinsically identifies you as a separate individual, and someone else as a separate individual. Instead, recognize the same love, same desire for peace, etc, in the “other”. Then uproot the knower / the illusion of an individual entities knowledge, and of others.

In love we are all the same, we think differently. Every recognition, rather than thought/understanding, is insightful.