Why does suffering exist

[Aaron p]

@Dylan Page im pretty sure God created the world with no suffering my man...it was you who ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and left God's presence

[Nahm]

@Dylan Page The answer to all your questions is you, but you are rejecting yourself, as if you were two. You’re not noticing the simplicity and obviousness. Look critically at your posts in this thread, everything you’re denying, is what you are. Google The Cosmic Joke. Many, many, many people are awake. 

[tsuki]

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D.: Why then is samsara - creation and manifestation as finitised - so full of sorrow and evil?

Maharshi: God’s will!

D.: Why does God will it so?

Maharshi: It is inscrutable. No motive can be attributed to that Power - no desire, no end to achieve can be asserted of that one Infinite, All-wise and All-powerful Being. God is untouched by activities, which take place in His presence; compare the sun and the world activities. There is no meaning in attributing responsibility and motive to the One before it becomes many. But God’s will for the prescribed course of events is a good solution of the free-will problem (vexata quaestio). If the mind is restless on account of a sense of the imperfect and unsatisfactory character of what befalls us or what is committed or omitted by us, then it is wise to drop the sense of responsibility and free-will by regarding ourselves as the ordained instruments of the All-wise and All-powerful, to do and suffer as He pleases. He carries all burdens and gives us peace.

Arunachala, Sadhu (2010-06-30T23:58:59). Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi . Sri Ramanasramam. Kindle Edition. 

[Conrad]

The experience of suffering is directly related to the experience of the mystery and inexplicable. 

[tedens]

@Conrad you can enlighten this?

[Conrad]

10 minutes ago, tedens said:

@Conrad you can enlighten this?

Maybe I will one day. 

[Esoteric]

If you start using your environment as a teacher (like work, social situations) you will see directly that suffering happens when you need to grow and be humbled. It's easier to let go when you feel defeated and don't care. Then when arrogance and ego comes back, boom, more suffering. See for yourself. The key is to not curse God, but to know why it is happening and stay humble, and yeah that is very hard sometimes.

[Inliytened1]

@Dylan Page its not handwaving at all..your just not conscious of this yet.  Without duality there would be just isness or pure potential.  You wouldn't exist right now! You exist because you as form contrast against everything else.  Thats what makes you something.

It sounds like you want there to just be Being itself..but without that there wouldn't be a world or a Dylan Page at all!

[Conrad]

Undoubtedly, God has a plan. Since God knows all things He is not surprised by the presence of evil and sin in the world that brings about suffering. But if God knows all things from all eternity, then He is perfectly capable of using suffering in the world in His greater plan.

God had incorporated into His divine plan the reality of evil and suffering in order to accomplish His will. Of course, this does not mean that God is the author of evil, but it does mean that God is above it all and can use it to accomplish a greater good. If this is true on a large-scale, why cannot it also be true on a smaller one in each of our individual lives?

[Dylan Page]

God can think? You are speaking of god as if god has a body or is a person. @Conrad

[Shadowraix]

You need to become conscious of the depths of unconditional love. God is being itself. Being what it is. It is all of this. And that includes humans that demonize other parts of itself. Your suffering and demonization of that suffering is nothing more than but an experience. And that is the whole point of all of this. To experience. To exist. To be. The point of existence is existence itself. Your notions of rationality, logic, justification are just but an experience. 

[Conrad]

40 minutes ago, Dylan Page said:

God can think? You are speaking of god as if god has a body or is a person. @Conrad

That's exactly what He is, look at yourself. 

[Shadowraix]

1 hour ago, Conrad said:

That's exactly what He is, look at yourself. 

Definitely. Creator and creation are one in the same.

What is it drawing the lines between God and human  

[Truth Addict]

8 hours ago, Shiva said:

@Truth Addict What is the difference between pain and suffering according to you?

Pain is physical. Suffering is not.

8 hours ago, Shiva said:

@Truth Addict And how is suffering not a survival mechanism?

It's on you to prove the assumption that suffering is a survival mechanism. I didn't assume anything.

8 hours ago, Shiva said:

@Truth Addict 

That may ultimately be true but that's not what determines our actions. We actively try to change situations because we believe it will somehow improve our lives. You don't just sit there, do nothing and leave your survival up to chance. No, you do things very deliberately to survive and avoid pain and suffering.

It's very simple, we're programmed to do so because that's what worked for our ancestors.

The truth is you don't know whether the next cup of water you drink might kill you or keep you alive! You just take it for granted.

Suffering, no matter how much you feel it, would not be able to save you then.

Life is a gamble. Every move and every no-move is a gamble that might get us killed. We don't actually know anything at all. We just assume and act accordingly.

We're just lucky to be alive experiencing this beautiful thing called life!

Saying that survival is irrelevant to everything equals saying that it's relevant to and dependent on everything. There is nothing happening by accident. Everything is exactly where it should be. There is nothing going against the plan. Everything is determined, and all is for you.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Truth Addict

[Conrad]

1 hour ago, Shadowraix said:

Definitely. Creator and creation are one in the same.

What is it drawing the lines between God and human  

Indeeed. There are no lines. No human being. A human being is a label. God is actuality, direct aware conscious experience. God is YOU.

[Truth Addict]

11 hours ago, Dylan Page said:

Right but cells (as far as we know aren’t alive) They are just a process, or a pattern. Life without consciousness. From our point of view, it just seems like we are the same way, but happen to have consciousness. Cells don’t experience joy either @Truth Addict

We don't have consciousness. We are consciousness.

Okay, you can believe that everything is a process or a pattern. But you forget to ask the question why is there a pattern? The answer is: it's all for you.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Truth Addict

[Shaun]

Suffering exists because god isn't Bob Ross.

[Shin]

If suffering wouldn't exist, that would be a limitation to what God can do.

That's one way to look at it.

The other way to look at it, is that without suffering, there would be no contrast between hell and heaven.

[Shadowraix]

7 minutes ago, Shin said:

If suffering wouldn't exist, that would be a limitation to what God can do.

That's one way to look at it.

The other way to look at it, is that without suffering, there would be no contrast between hell and heaven.

Unconditional love and grand design are also good ones. 

[Truth Addict]

2 hours ago, Shiva said:

@Truth Addict this conversation won't bear fruit

Of course, that's how it looks like from the ego's perspective. The ego does not want to lose control. Truth is dangerous.

Edited June 25, 2019 by Truth Addict