Loving yourself versus personal jihad

[StarStruck]

Realization that loving yourself and everything around you is key for enlightenment and to reach the turquoise stage. 

At the same time we have to also wage jihad against the lower conscious self to become more enlightenment. 

Isn’t this a paradox or am I understanding it wrong? We must love our lower conscious self who is responsible for addiction, suffering and pain and at the same time we have to wage a jihad against it “to kill” the ego and lower conscious self.

How does this jive? Last couple of days I have been thinking about it and it kind of left me in a crux. 

Edited June 24, 2019 by StarStruck

[Forestluv]

The ego likes to fragment itself into a “Good ego” vs “Bad ego” dynamic. It allows the ego to stay relevant and keeps The Game going. Good ego says “I need to be in control or Bad ego will run riot and cause harm!!” . . . It’s all within human personality thought constructs. Fundamentally based in survival instincts.

[Truth Addict]

There are no shoulds or musts. You have absolute freedom to do whatever you want. You can desire being unconscious, nothing wrong with that.

Life is infinitely complex and the ego is very limited. It thinks it can manipulate things in order to serve itself, but nothing can be further from the truth.

The truth is we don't actually know whether anything we do is good or bad for us. The truth is that we don't actually know anything at all. That's what the ego doesn't want to accept.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Truth Addict

[CreamCat]

6 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Bad ego

Do you have bad ego?

[tsuki]

7 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Isn’t this a paradox or am I understanding it wrong? We must love our lower conscious self who is responsible for addiction, suffering and pain and at the same time we have to wage a jihad against it “to kill” the ego and lower conscious self.

You are conflating suffering with pain.
Notice that you are never addicted in the present moment. You can only be addicted to something in relation to past or future.
Getting caught up in thought-spirals fueled by imagination/memory is what constitutes ego=suffering=time.

With enough mastery of the mind, there is even no pain. There is only intensity without a point of reference, which is ultimately meaningless.
Loving yourself means to love yourself to death. To accept everything that occurs and surrender any meaning that drives time.

[CreamCat]

2 minutes ago, tsuki said:

With enough mastery of the mind, there is even no pain. There is only intensity without a point of reference, which is ultimately meaningless.

So, self-immolation is only intensity of some stimulation?

[tsuki]

12 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

So, self-immolation is only intensity of some stimulation?

Why would one self-immolate, if there is no future to protect or past to run from?
How would one self-immolate, if there is no self or other to protect or defeat?
While being mastery of pain, it is a failure at mastery of self.

Edited June 24, 2019 by tsuki

[tenta]

You are already enlightened

[tenta]

1 minute ago, tsuki said:

Why would one self-immolate, if there is no future to protect?
While being mastery of pain, it is a failure at mastery of time.

 

Read your comment again then read his, he wasn't talking about if you should self immolate or not

[Commodent]

You don't have to kill anything. It's more about changing your relationship to your experience rather than changing the experience itself. That is true liberation, the freedom to experience whatever might arise. Only wanting to experience a certain egoless state is prison, because you're denying the rich experiences that can be found in the ego state.

[tsuki]

33 minutes ago, tenta said:

he wasn't talking about if you should self immolate or not

Then I don't know what he was talking about.
Burning yourself alive is painful, but suffering because of it is optional.

[StarStruck]

@Commodent for the ego it feels like “the old self” is dying. That is why there is a backlash when we are trying to change. 

I think your comment about changing one’s relationship to the experience hit the spot though. 

That insight breaks the ego paradigm that is holding personal change on a leash. 

[StarStruck]

1 hour ago, Truth Addict said:

There are no shoulds or musts. You have absolute freedom to do whatever you want. You can desire being unconscious, nothing wrong with that.

Life is infinitely complex and the ego is very limited. It thinks it can manipulate things in order to serve itself, but nothing can be further from the truth.

The truth is we don't actually know whether anything we do is good or bad for us. The truth is that we don't actually know anything at all. That's what the ego doesn't want to accept.

Human’s goal is to reach highest phase of enlightenment. I think even Leo said something in this direction. He also said that humans are consciousness probes in the universe exploring itself. 

If you do research and see the big picture this is what you see. Some people don’t see that and that is ok.  They aren’t meant to see it. 

But deep inside everybody wants to know why we are here on this earth. Most people live their entire life without finding out.

The ego is basically “god” itself who denies it is god, as Leo puts it. It is basically a battle between consciousness and unconsciousness. The key is to look third person to this battle. I think that is the bottom line but I could be wrong.

 

[CreamCat]

1 hour ago, tenta said:

You are already enlightened

Explain?

[Commodent]

@StarStruck Yes, you can certainly change the ego, but unless you're monk living passively in a cave it will always be there. It's a necessity to function in the world, and a strong and healthy ego allows you to manifest your wishes in the world and do big things. Now, whether you identify with ego or not, that's another question. It's really only a part of the whole.

Identification with ego is also what makes changing it so painful, because in a sense it's been mistaken for you. Ego backlash is more of a physical mechanism, I feel, and it's not really painful in the same way as trying to change something you identify with. It just sort of happens regardless.

[StarStruck]

@Commodent ego is the manifestation of the universe. Without ego humans wouldn’t exist. It is literally responsible for the me versus everything else paradigm and to survive that is needed. I think turquoise stage doesn’t clash with the ego. I think the turquoise person looks at the world both from the ego perspective, non ego perspective plus everything else. 

[Natasha]

55 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

2 hours ago, tenta said:

You are already enlightened

Explain?

You have always been the Self and ever free, even before this is realized.

[CreamCat]

2 minutes ago, Natasha said:

realized.

There are two meanings for realization.

1. Making something materialize
2. Figuring out something

Which one is it?

[Natasha]

24 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

There are two meanings for realization.

1. Making something materialize
2. Figuring out something

Which one is it?

As in Self-realization/awakening to your true nature.