Spirituality is beta

[ajasatya]

56 minutes ago, themovement said:

I will explore it, I plan to do a 2000ug LSD trip

I wouldn't recommend it. You don't seem to have any background on spirituality to guide you. A lonely LSD trip can backfire as a mind-shattering/traumatizing experience for you.

Instead, i'd recommend an Ayahuasca trip guided by a genuine Shaman. Of course, that's A LOT harder to find but it will be worth it.

As for now, stick with the following question: will being an "alpha male" ultimately fulfill your deepest needs? Can "alpha males" experience true peace of mind and Heart?

1 hour ago, Mikael89 said:

Thought low quality threads like this was going to get locked. This is childish.

I see your point, but this time the OP is displaying some opening to the subject that's being discussed. He's not just preaching his religion, thus we can be a little more patient with him.

[themovement]

52 minutes ago, Shin said:

None of that is about being a man.

Read "The Way Of The Superior Man" by David Deida.

Everything else you do is just you trying to look like a man.

I read that book but I found the rational male by rollo tomossi to be more true to my experience, I think its a hippy con saying stuff like the book dose will work in getting laid. We cannot deny the statics of hypergamy

[Shaun]

39 minutes ago, themovement said:

@Shaun I don't know what that is, it feels like nothing is there. It feels like I am the thoughts and there never was before a thought

You are that nothing.

[themovement]

1 minute ago, ajasatya said:

As for now, stick with the following question: will being an "alpha male" ultimately fulfill your deepest needs? Can "alpha males" experience true peace of mind and Heart?

 

that is what is told to us will make us happy as a man though? How am I to know it is false? It seems that way.

 

2 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

I wouldn't recommend it. You don't seem to have any background on spirituality to guide you. A lonely LSD trip can backfire as a mind-shattering/traumatizing experience for you.

Instead, i'd recommend an Ayahuasca trip guided by a genuine Shaman. Of course, that's A LOT harder to find but it will be worth it.

 

I thought Ayahuasca was stronger than LSD?

[ajasatya]

1 minute ago, themovement said:

that is what is told to us will make us happy as a man though? How am I to know it is false? It seems that way.

Simple... find an exemplary "alpha male" who's completely content with his life. To be honest, I think that's quite contradictory because "alpha males" are always chasing something. It seems to be the case that those guys always have some mental noise in the background of their mental space. "Ah, I gotta get laid with that girl", "I have to beat that other guy", "I have to be more like this and not like that" etc.

As opposed to them, the spiritual teachers that you label as "beta" have hacked themselves into a way of living with contentment. It's a radically different perspective of Life.

13 minutes ago, themovement said:

I thought Ayahuasca was stronger than LSD?

It's very complicated to compare Ayahuasca and LSD. They have different methods of teaching, so to speak. I only have experience with Ayahuasca and I only know LSD from trip reports. As far as my knowledge goes (not very far), Ayahuasca is more didactic. But, of course, you should do your own research.

[Natasha]

38 minutes ago, themovement said:

I can see that to be true but what is consciousness  then ? Isn't it just the brain

Consciousness is that space/void/emptiness that contains everything and is everything. The formless manifesting as form.

Think of a wave in the ocean. It rises from the ocean appearing as something separate from the ocean for a time, then disappears back into it. The wave's essence, however, is still ocean. The appearance of separateness is illusory. 

[Consilience]

You realize one of the last obstacles to overcome on the spiritual path is facing your own death right? Nothing beta about that. 

[Natasha]

21 minutes ago, themovement said:

that is what is told to us will make us happy as a man though

The formula to happiness/peace is simple.

I  want happiness/peace!

'I' is ego, 'want' is desire.... transcend those and you will have happiness and peace  

[Natasha]

@themovement Also, Leo has good video on Consciousness, check it out

[Pacific Sage]

45 minutes ago, themovement said:

We cannot deny the statics of hypergamy

Let's do a thought experiment!

Say something unthinkable happens (god forbid) and you can no longer have sex for the rest of your life! Impossible as of now, but hypothetically something happens and leads to that! What are your thoughts going to be on hypergamy?

Also you do realize you cannot Chase hypergamy for the rest of your life. Nothing wrong with that but the happiness you derive from it is very short term and you got to keep chasing it as a feedback for happiness. Also this happiness fades with memory and stays in the past. 

[themovement]

33 minutes ago, Natasha said:

Consciousness is that space/void/emptiness that contains everything and is everything. The formless manifesting as form.

Think of a wave in the ocean. It rises from the ocean appearing as something separate from the ocean for a time, then disappears back into it. The wave's essence, however, is still ocean. The appearance of separateness is illusory. 

I see that, it feels like it is coming from my brain somehow or out my eyes, how do I not know its coming from my brain? I would like it of course not to be as that would mean I live on after death

[themovement]

7 minutes ago, Pacific Sage said:

Let's do a thought experiment!

Say something unthinkable happens (god forbid) and you can no longer have sex for the rest of your life! Impossible as of now, but hypothetically something happens and leads to that! What are your thoughts going to be on hypergamy?

Also you do realize you cannot Chase hypergamy for the rest of your life. Nothing wrong with that but the happiness you derive from it is very short term and you got to keep chasing it as a feedback for happiness. Also this happiness fades with memory and stays in the past. 

I dont deny that, but what would be better ? Lets say better than having money, success, a good physical appearance and options for dating?

[bejapuskas]

@themovement

 

[Shin]

1 minute ago, themovement said:

I dont deny that, but what would be better ? Lets say better than having money, success, a good physical appearance and options for dating?

Being happy ?

You do realize those things are not happiness, just things you think you need to be happy ?

Not only they won't make you happy (for long), but they will make you miserable the longer you chase them, because when you're chasing them you're not being happy with what you have.

[Truth Addict]

@themovement

A truly spiritual person does not belong under the "Spirituality" category.

A truly spiritual person does not have an ideology or an identity.

A truly spiritual person is just themselves.

Alpha, Beta, etc... are just mental contrust that we deconstruct on our journey through spirituality and then we even deconstruct spirituality itself.

Edited June 21, 2019 by Truth Addict

[themovement]

4 minutes ago, Shin said:

Being happy ?

You do realize those things are not happiness, just things you think you need to be happy ?

Not only they won't make you happy (for long), but they will make you miserable the longer you chase them, because when you're chasing them you're not being happy with what you have.

so what makes for true happiness then? if all that stuff dose not make you happy then why dose everyone chase it all the time? Would mean everyone to be fools

[themovement]

10 minutes ago, bejapuskas said:

@themovement

 

Animals act slightly differently to humans, what if someone lives in a tough slum? MMA would be worth learning before meditation so you stop other alphas trying to dominate

[bejapuskas]

@themovement  You think that you need to have something else in order to be fulfilled in the future, but have you ever lived in the future to confirm this to yourself? Also watch the video I posted here, the idea that alpha male = bully is completely wrong, if being an alpha male means an enjoyable state in life for you.

[Natasha]

19 minutes ago, themovement said:

I see that, it feels like it is coming from my brain somehow or out my eyes, how do I not know its coming from my brain? I would like it of course not to be as that would mean I live on after death

Good questions, start investigating for yourself by doing self-inquiry and through direct experience

Lots of info on the forum and ofc Leo's video library and other sources. This is a good place to learn and grow and have the support you need.

Thus, the journey begins

[Pacific Sage]

20 minutes ago, themovement said:

so what makes for true happiness then? 

I guess true happiness is something which is anchored and is consistent. Doesn't fade with time and situations. And it's possible to have that peace in life.

20 minutes ago, themovement said:

Would mean everyone to be fools

Watch Leo's Spiral Dynamics video to understand the variety of people who exist.

Edited June 21, 2019 by Pacific Sage