The DPT Mega-Thread

[Sempiternity]

Leo, how has this affected your day to day life? 

[Ry4n]

this is all way beyond me, boy am i ignorant

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Jed Vassallo said:

Leo, how has this affected your day to day life? 

Hard to say yet. It's awakening after awakening after awakening.

[peanutspathtotruth]

@Esoteric @Enlightenment Thanks guys! 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

DPT is a monster. I've been able to access levels of consciousness that are simply beyond beyond beyond everything else.

Beyond Advaita, beyond Zen, beyond Buddhism, beyond all teachings and teachers.

You will never reach such levels of consciousness naturally through meditation or self-inquiry. No way.

Ya'll do not understand how deep it goes. And there is no way to explain it.

So grateful to see you leading the way with this work. Very inspiring. Gonna start my introduction to 5-MeO and DPT very soon, to look for myself. Thank you!! <3 

[iTommy]

I've currently had a few trips on DPT. The plugging method is very ineffective for me, so insufflation was the way to go for it. The first time I underestimated the potency (after trying plugging high dosages, with no minor consciousness shifts), and I threw up and felt unwell for quite a while, which made it hard to focus on what I wanted to get out of the trip. My third trip, was better planned in accordance to my previous experiences, which included...

Here are some of the more negative aspects that I found for myself using DPT and this method:

• It stings in the nose (one gets used to it somewhat after a while, and it eventually subsides).
• The nose gets stuffy (harder to breathe through the nose afterward) and there might be the urge of sneezing, so closing the nose is important, when letting it soak in.
• It may drip down the throat, and the taste isn't great.
• It can make your throat sore.
• Teary eyes (mainly happening when the sneezing part is up).
• Might want to puke, if a high dosage is snorted. 
• Feeling disoriented (which isn't that bad, yet if you take all those other aspects into consideration too...)

Now onto the third trip. Here I took 210mg (+-), keep in mind that I somehow seem to need more than other people for the same/similar trip-experience. Snorting that much wasn't great at all, some of it didn't fully absorb and quite a bit dripped down the throat. I had food on the table, water, a bucket of lemon ice. Relaxing music was also on play. I ate lemon ice to counter the nasty taste and the burning in the throat (that sore throat feeling lasted for more than a day btw.) Having some ice there, is really great after snorting. I also ate a bit beforehand, which I didn't do the first time and was glad that I wasn't feeling ill this time. Concentrating was easier than the first time, and "I" merged with God (somewhat, still felt as if "I" was hanging on subtly). This experience wasn't that exciting as I had hoped, since I experienced something like it before. Looking out the window, my room, all was me. What I found neat was the feeling, that waves of energy went through my whole body, up and down, getting goosebumps here and there. I'd like to go deeper, but I don't really want to up the dosage, snorting it. Maybe smoking it would be better for me, that is something I might do another time around. 

This substance definitely has potential, if you find your personal, most suited method of administration. 

[mandyjw]

On 7/8/2019 at 4:14 AM, Leo Gura said:

DPT is a monster. I've been able to access levels of consciousness that are simply beyond beyond beyond everything else.

Beyond Advaita, beyond Zen, beyond Buddhism, beyond all teachings and teachers.

You will never reach such levels of consciousness naturally through meditation or self-inquiry. No way.

Ya'll do not understand how deep it goes. And there is no way to explain it.

Pleeeeeeeease, just try to film one? The most powerful ways of seeing, understanding and connecting are beyond words. 

[Girzo]

@iTommy 200 mg is crazy even for someone with high natural tolerance. It's a shit-ton of fluffy powder to insufflate. This requires explanation.

• Did you weight it using a milligram scale?
• In what time span were you dosing the substance?
• Are there other substances interfering with your tolerance? Microdosing, tripping on LSD week ago, antidepressants, etc? People mix all kind of stupid shit and then are surprised it doesn't work.
• Did someone else try this batch and confirmed it's potent? Maybe it has degraded a lot or was improperly synthesized. 

Suspicious stuff. I would be hesitant to put that much random powders into my system.

[iTommy]

1 hour ago, Girzo said:

@iTommy 200 mg is crazy even for someone with high natural tolerance. It's a shit-ton of fluffy powder to insufflate. This requires explanation.

• Did you weight it using a milligram scale?
• In what time span were you dosing the substance?
• Are there other substances interfering with your tolerance? Microdosing, tripping on LSD week ago, antidepressants, etc? People mix all kind of stupid shit and then are surprised it doesn't work.
• Did someone else try this batch and confirmed it's potent? Maybe it has degraded a lot or was improperly synthesized. 

Suspicious stuff. I would be hesitant to put that much random powders into my system.

Yeah, I expected it to be more potent, snorting that much isn't fun. Some substances seem to not hit me at all, unless I take large quantities of it. Weed is one of them, maybe DPT snorted/plugged might fall into the same issue, but there are more variables so I can't say for sure.

I used a milligram spoon for measurement. I didn't snort all at once, I made a few lines and took the largest lines first, then I pinched my nostrils and rested with my head back slightly, for two to three minutes and took another line, repeat, till there was none left. I use an antidepressant (remeron), in a low quantity (the anti-depressant effects according to my psychiatrist, would happen if I took more). I mainly use it to get sleepy. This could've interfered with the potency, and I am aware that mixing psychedelics and anti-depressants isn't always great. My first proper DPT trip was a large dose, and one day after that one, I snorted the 210mg (+-), and it seemed that the first trip was more potent (which was of a lower dosage). Might be some tolerance there after the first proper trip, for me. No-one else tried this batch. You might be right with degradation &/or improper synthesization. 

I probably won't snort that much of it again, it was nasty. 

[Girzo]

54 minutes ago, iTommy said:

I use an antidepressant (remeron)

You are using an antidepressant which has an unknown mechanism of action with psychedelics?

STOP NOW!

If it was 5-MeO and not DPT you could have ended up hospitalized.

57 minutes ago, iTommy said:

I am aware that mixing psychedelics and anti-depressants isn't always great.

No. It's never great. Have you ever googled Mirtazapine + tryptamines? "it took the trip within an hour followed by a violent seizure. a very dangerous mix. :/", that's enough to scare a responsible person.

54 minutes ago, iTommy said:

I used a milligram spoon for measurement.

Without weighing it before on a scale? Then how do you know how much powder your spoon holds? You don't. You probably have underdosed because DPT is so fluffy, thankfully. So no, it wasn't 200 mg.

 

On 6.07.2019 at 10:47 PM, Leo Gura said:

Don't make a mockery of this work.

This should be stickied in the first post. Along with some harm reduction guide.

[Rinne]

@Leo Gura Leo you said you been able to heal simply thru using imagination so i wanted to ask do you think its possible to also heal something like hearing loss? 

[outlandish]

1 hour ago, iTommy said:

I used a milligram spoon for measurement

Yes, you didn't snort 200mg of DPT then, you snorted an unknown amount. This isn't to embarrass you or chastise you publicly for this, but for the sake of PSA:

People need to stop reporting their dosages if they're only using spoons to measure, because it's going to throw others under the bus. You don't actually know how much you are consuming without weighing it, and if someone reads this and says "oh that guy took 200mg, can't be that bad", and then goes ahead and weighs out 200mg and snorts/plugs it, they will be in for a shock, and a potentially medically dangerous situation. 

Also, sounds like you didn't use a straw to snort it? Cut a short section of a plastic straw, get it up into your nose at the inner nose-hole, and then sniff it very gently into your nasal passages. This bypasses the nostril area that you can get your finger into, which is dry and won't absorb the DPT. 

[Girzo]

12 minutes ago, outlandish said:

Also, sounds like you didn't use a straw to snort it? Cut a short section of a plastic straw, get it up into your nose at the inner nose-hole, and then sniff it very gently into your nasal passages. This bypasses the nostril area that you can get your finger into, which is dry and won't absorb the DPT. 

That is after you sort out the situation with your antidepressant use.

If you need them only to get sleepy, then maybe you can do without these pills. Talk with your psychiatrist about possibility of getting rid of Remeron. If it's possible, wait for a few weeks after tapering off and then try psychedelics. Now properly prepared and equipped with knowledge about dosing.

[outlandish]

@Girzo yes, thank you.

[Psychonaut]

I wished Leo would have never recommended the use of milligram measuring spoons. :-/

@iTommy I once snorted 150mg of DMT and that was just because I had no way of smoking it. That amount of powder didn't even fit into my nose and was running down my throat and out through the front. The powder was literally everywhere. Luckily it was nice and sparkly for me while tripping in 5D hyperspace. However I doubt I would even "fit" 200mg of powder in my nose.

Edited July 9, 2019 by Psychonaut

[Girzo]

It's not a problem of using spoons, they are great if you know what you are doing. But people need to read stuff like this first: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Dosage_measurement 

 

[iTommy]

1 hour ago, Girzo said:

You are using an antidepressant which has an unknown mechanism of action with psychedelics?

STOP NOW!

If it was 5-MeO and not DPT you could have ended up hospitalized.

No. It's never great. Have you ever googled Mirtazapine + tryptamines? "it took the trip within an hour followed by a violent seizure. a very dangerous mix. :/", that's enough to scare a responsible person.

Without weighing it before on a scale? Then how do you know how much powder your spoon holds? You don't. You probably have underdosed because DPT is so fluffy, thankfully. So no, it wasn't 200 mg.

 

This should be stickied in the first post. Along with some harm reduction guide.

My experience with scales, is that they're not reliable for small dosages, but then again I've not bought a higher priced milligram scale which actually might be accurate. I only went with the spoons instructions. Any scale that you bought from the internet, that you'd recommend?

I admit not to have googled the possible interactions with DPT, I only know that 5-MeO combined with remeron isn't a good idea. So I've been taking it on faith, wanting/desiring to "get there". I'll taper down on remeron, trying to quit it, for safety reasons. Thank you about the insights, especially in regards to the spoons. Now I know they're not reliable for measurement. 

1 hour ago, outlandish said:

Yes, you didn't snort 200mg of DPT then, you snorted an unknown amount. This isn't to embarrass you or chastise you publicly for this, but for the sake of PSA:

People need to stop reporting their dosages if they're only using spoons to measure, because it's going to throw others under the bus. You don't actually know how much you are consuming without weighing it, and if someone reads this and says "oh that guy took 200mg, can't be that bad", and then goes ahead and weighs out 200mg and snorts/plugs it, they will be in for a shock, and a potentially medically dangerous situation. 

Also, sounds like you didn't use a straw to snort it? Cut a short section of a plastic straw, get it up into your nose at the inner nose-hole, and then sniff it very gently into your nasal passages. This bypasses the nostril area that you can get your finger into, which is dry and won't absorb the DPT. 

Thank you for the heads up! I used a paper straw, plastic straws are more handy though

48 minutes ago, Psychonaut said:

I wished Leo would have never recommended the use of milligram measuring spoons. :-/

@iTommy I once snorted 150mg of DMT and that was just because I had no way of smoking it. That amount of powder didn't even fit into my nose and was running down my throat and out through the front. The powder was literally everywhere. Luckily it was nice and sparkly for me while tripping in 5D hyperspace. However I doubt I would even "fit" 200mg of powder in my nose.

That's a lot of powder, even for the spoon.

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Thank you all for the replies, I appreciate your feedback on this. I will be taking a more responsible route, and do more research about it + dosing/measurement before going at it again. 

[Leo Gura]

Scoops are very precise, but only relative to each substance. So each new substance you gotta start off with 1 scoop and work up to find your sweet spot.

Yes, it's harder to share your dosages in this case.

[Girzo]

That's why on every new batch and substance you put like 10 scoops on a scale and see how much approx. one spoon holds. Then do it one more time to make sure everything is right. After you know how much milligrams one spoon carries you can accurately share your dosages.

Gemini 20 or similar is enough. You don't really need a more expensive scale.

[Schahin]

@Leo Gura

What have you found out about these things:

Does each human have a predetermined or preplanned destiny? 

Therefore is free will really non existent? The ayahuasca followers still say that free will is inherent to every human. 

Do coincidences exist or is everything carefully wanted to be as it is, withouth coincidences, pure destiny. 

 

[Sia]

In the "DPT: The Other God Molecule" you talked about the deepest awakening that you've had so far and you said it was so deep that you could not believe how it is possible to be alive, but in your past experiences you said that you were completely aware of how you designed every cell in your body and so on.... my point is, if the awakening that happened in your sleep was deeper, shouldn't you be even more aware than those previous experiences? you mean if you go deeper in god's head you forget about how you made life?