The DPT Mega-Thread

[Rodrigo SIlva]

@Leo Gura Do you think it’s possible to embody the absolute enlightenment prespective you got after DPT in our daily lives? Do you think anyone has ever done it and would we even be able to operate in the world with that level of conciousness?

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Rodrigo SIlva said:

@Leo Gura Do you think it’s possible to embody the absolute enlightenment prespective you got after DPT in our daily lives? Do you think anyone has ever done it and would we even be able to operate in the world with that level of conciousness?

You could not stay alive long at such levels of consciousness. It is not practical because you do not care what happens to your body.

There is a good reason humans have very limited levels of consciousness: it's not so practical otherwise. You could not accomplish work or raise a family and thus the species would go extinct.

To live as a human is to be in a limited state. Human = limit. Unlimited is what you are when you stop being human.

[Rodrigo SIlva]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You could not stay alive long at such levels of consciousness. It is not practical because you do not care what happens to your body.

There is a good reason humans have very limited levels of consciousness: it's not so practical otherwise. You could not accomplish work or raise a family and thus the species would go extinct.

To live as a human is to be in a limited state. Human = limit. Unlimited is what you are when you stop being human.

So do you think that experience of total enlightenment was the place of unconditional love and total selfless or that would only REALLY be possible without a body?

[John Iverson]

53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You could not stay alive long at such levels of consciousness. It is not practical because you do not care what happens to your body.

There is a good reason humans have very limited levels of consciousness: it's not so practical otherwise. You could not accomplish work or raise a family and thus the species would go extinct.

To live as a human is to be in a limited state. Human = limit. Unlimited is what you are when you stop being human.

So when it comes to human potential, there is limitaion? I don't mean limitation in a negative thinking, i mean there is always nature that we cannot bend tho yes of course there is non physical thingy but being human there is limitation at somepoint what we can do here? .... for example for the ant vs human.. we have have limitation despite of ant's intelligence.. ant cannot do fire like humans.. or birds cannot do macintosh haha 

because what i understand is if we become God, we don't function yes we are God that nothing is imposible.. but we are dead becoming that.. i'm God who created all of this.. but as human if i become GOD i cannot do it again and create another specie , or create GOD like in the planet..what we achieve in history is partial of God but not total , total is me creating this planet, but i cannot do it because i am human.. 

 

what i am interested is that what is the potential of human being.. what is the truth about it.. because we have siddhis right? With that fact , right now most of people if they don't know any truth about spirituality is ignorant about that.. doing some crazy things is like levitating is for them bulshit or not scientific or it is something myth... i believe potential of human being is Super.. but i really don't know what is really the potential of human being to what extent we do things.. or what are other stuffs we can do 

Edited June 26, 2019 by John Iverson

[Corpus]

I think it is important to abolish all notions of an Absolute level of enlightenment/consciousness via DPT, or any other agent. Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't 5 Meo the deliverer of this state, until DPT was used? How would the experience of DPT with say MXE onboard be regarded? These are all perspectives, nothing more nor less.

I also question the notion of being able to re-wire ones cells to cure cancer; I understand the limitations of science including medical research but science has some utility in working out some of the mechanisms of how cancer operates, and "re-wiring" is a superficial notion which displays an experientially-induced "feelz right man" ignorance.

Leos DPT vid also describes how all his cells exploded outwards- does this include the bacteria in his gut, or on the skin, or do these "not exist"?

 

Edited June 26, 2019 by Corpus

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Rodrigo SIlva said:

So do you think that experience of total enlightenment was the place of unconditional love and total selfless or that would only REALLY be possible without a body?

It's possible with a body. I have been there many times. But living from that place isn't too practical.

@Corpus The body is imaginary, including all those bacteria you're imagining. Cancer is imaginary too.

[Esoteric]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's possible with a body. I have been there many times. But living from that place isn't too practical.

@Corpus The body is imaginary, including all those bacteria you're imagining. Cancer is imaginary too.

But even if you become deeply enlightened, let's say like Ralston. Why can't you get access to do the creation aspect of God? Like materializing things through will, you think? Or you probably can, but do you think that is on the deepest levels of enlightenment? 

Edited June 26, 2019 by Esoteric
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[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Esoteric said:

But even if you become deeply enlightened, let's say like Ralston. Why can't you get access to do the creation aspect of God? Like materializing things through will, you think? Or you probably can, but do you think that is on the deepest levels of enlightenment? 

Firstly, you DO get some access. You have some access to it even now. You've been using God's creative aspect your whole life. What do you think your mind is? Don't take your mind for granted. It is a powerful creative force.

Secondly, there are still limits because that's what it means to be human. You cannot just grow wings and fly off into the sunset. Because God has imagined a rule-bound world. That is what your current state of consciousness entails. If you were to radically change your state you could grow wings and fly away. Which you can do in your dreams, for example. But you tell yourself that that doesn't count. Well, that's your mistake right there. You are imagining that dreams and reality are two different things. They aren't. They are just different states of consciousness.

[SoonHei]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is what your current state of consciousness entails.

+1

@Esoteric  that above is what that is.

 

in a different parallel reality... provided your state of consciousness graduates to the possibility - Raltston is probably growing out wings for himself and his devotees who attend his sessions.

 

there are really no limits other than the ones you imagine

open your mind and realize the infinite possibilities 

 

the version of Raltston which is in your level of awareness right now is doing ordinary things which you think should be possible for a human. same as the version of Leo you see. there are infinite versions of Leo and the Leo who took 5Meo Dmt vs the one in this version of reality are different . may that Leo already realized God potential and is growing wings and women out of thin air each second

 

each moment new entire universe is rolled before you.. like a different frame of a movie in front of a projector... except each pixel has a different iteration and all such frames exists... 

infinite x infinite x infinite x infinite across infinite dimensions 

[Esoteric]

@Leo Gura Thanks

[Psychonaut]

30mg was better. I think I made a mistake somewhere along the process when taking 20mg. 

This time I relieved myself of any extraterestrial matter and actually washed everything out for maximum absorbtion. I didn't do it the last time and I always clean it before anything goes in there. Will continue doing so. Seems like that is important. At least for my ass.

Very energetic trip. The energy is very maluable.

5-MeO-DMT has a lot of energy too, but it only wants to take me to one place. Seeing that place has some value to it.

However at least for this trip, I felt like DPT was much more about "me" and here and now. Like a session of psychotherapy. I feel like sometimes people forget that problems have to be addressed at the level of consciousness at which the "problem" arises. The experience of 5-MeO is nice, but I will always persist. Either until I voluntarily or unvoluntarily leave this body.

[Leo Gura]

Do not plug anything without taking a shit first. This is rule #1 of plugging. Failure to do so will significantly reduce doseage.

[okulele]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not plug anything without taking a shit first. This is rule #1 of plugging. Failure to do so will significantly reduce doseage.

What time frame do you mean? Is 2,3,4 hours before plugging ok? Must be 1 hour?

Edited June 27, 2019 by okulele

[Enlightenment]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Corpus The body is imaginary, including all those bacteria you're imagining. Cancer is imaginary too.

Are agony and suffering also imaginary? I guess Martin Ball was aware of them being imaginary and yet he acts as they are not.

"I would say that the most undeniable form of consciousness is acute agony because no one doubts that not if you watch them act and that is one of the criteria by which I judge whether or not someone believes something. You know, so if people act out something uncontrollably then I'm convinced that they believe it regardless of what they think they believe"  Jordan Peterson

The thing is, all this talk about imaginary goes out the window when we are confronted with extreme forms of pain.

[arlin]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Firstly, you DO get some access. You have some access to it even now. You've been using God's creative aspect your whole life. What do you think your mind is? Don't take your mind for granted. It is a powerful creative force.

@Leo Gura, do you think people who communicate with other entities who reveal them secrets of life and the universe are just using their power unconsciously to create those entities?

Or regressive hypnotist like dolores cannon or corrado malanga for example:

When they work with other people, they can discover for example that the subject is or has been abducted by an alien.

Fact is, those aliens speak through the man and they reveal details about creation and reality.

I mean this is a work that involves thousands of people here and they all say the same story which is convincing.

Are those events just created by the hypnotist with the power of his mind?

Have you ever been able to contact such beings? Will you be interested in the future?

[allislove]

5 hours ago, Psychonaut said:

30mg was better. I think I made a mistake somewhere along the process when taking 20mg. 

This time I relieved myself of any extraterestrial matter and actually washed everything out for maximum absorbtion. I didn't do it the last time and I always clean it before anything goes in there. Will continue doing so. Seems like that is important. At least for my ass.

Very energetic trip. The energy is very maluable.

5-MeO-DMT has a lot of energy too, but it only wants to take me to one place. Seeing that place has some value to it.

However at least for this trip, I felt like DPT was much more about "me" and here and now. Like a session of psychotherapy. I feel like sometimes people forget that problems have to be addressed at the level of consciousness at which the "problem" arises. The experience of 5-MeO is nice, but I will always persist. Either until I voluntarily or unvoluntarily leave this body.

Nice. It looks like you are one of the few who are doing real work here. Keep it up bro.

[Corpus]

Could Leo attempt to define "imaginary" as he understands it because I think not having it defined is hindering the discussion regarding what is real or not.

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, okulele said:

What time frame do you mean? Is 2,3,4 hours before plugging ok? Must be 1 hour?

1 hr or less is ideal.

7 hours ago, Enlightenment said:

Are agony and suffering also imaginary? I guess Martin Ball was aware of them being imaginary and yet he acts as they are not.

"I would say that the most undeniable form of consciousness is acute agony because no one doubts that not if you watch them act and that is one of the criteria by which I judge whether or not someone believes something. You know, so if people act out something uncontrollably then I'm convinced that they believe it regardless of what they think they believe"  Jordan Peterson

The thing is, all this talk about imaginary goes out the window when we are confronted with extreme forms of pain.

Suffering and pain are of course imaginary. You are imagining the distinction between pleasure and pain.

It takes enormous consciousness to be aware of this because pain is most directly related to ego and survival. Do not underestimate the power of survival. It is second only to Truth.

Do not quote JP to me. He has no idea what he is talking about.

2 hours ago, Corpus said:

Could Leo attempt to define "imaginary" as he understands it because I think not having it defined is hindering the discussion regarding what is real or not.

Imaginary is EVERYTHING, including your distinction between real and imaginary.

[Peo]

Is formlessness imaginary?

[Leo Gura]

@Peo Actual and imaginary are ONE!

Notice how your questions contain dualistic assumptions.

You assume something other than imagination is possible. Well, you're imagining that! Imagination has no opposite since any opposite would itself be imaginary.