The DPT Mega-Thread

[bejapuskas]

49 minutes ago, tsuki said:

I never practiced astral projection, but it is supposedly possible to harm a person physically by harming their astral body.

Whoa  

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Nemo28 said:

@Leo Gura does my room walls exist if I'm not looking at them?

It doesn't even exist when you're looking at it.

Rooms. Walls. Existence. Leo. Looking... << all of that is imaginary.

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Sometimes I wonder what's the point of all the info psychedelic trips gives you if relative day to day reality still operates as it used to, people still need to eat, shit and do whatever they do. It just seems it has no practical side to it other than giving you new beliefs (but at least it comes from your direct experience..).

The point is immortality. Very practical to understand that birth and death and suffering are imaginary.

BTW, practicality is imaginary too.

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You say there are no physical laws, but how could there not be, if I jump from building I will certainly die or cripple myself, well other people have done it and it happened for them, are you saying I'm imagining all that?

Yes, you are imagining all of that.

It sounds incredible because you actually believe there is something called "reality". There is not. There is only the reality you imagine.

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I'm just a bit disappointed in psychedelics, cause when you come down all reality is as it always was, so it seems it does all happen in your brain.. 

Only because you have barely started the process of awakening. It goes far beyond anything you can imagine. All of reality will collapse if you go deep enough. But you are too scared to go that deep. You are not willing to surrender your whole life yet.

[Joscha]

Can you take this psychedelic as an absolute beginner? If you dose it low I mean. Its legal in my country. I am tempted. Is there any substance you can take if you get a bad trip with DPT? I've heard there is stuff you can take to minimize experienced fear or something.

[Nemo28]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't even exist when you're looking at it.

Rooms. Walls. Existence. Leo. Looking... << all of that is imaginary.

The point is immortality. Very practical to understand that birth and death and suffering are imaginary.

BTW, practicality is imaginary too.

Yes, you are imagining all of that.

It sounds incredible because you actually believe there is something called "reality". There is not. There is only the reality you imagine.

Only because you have barely started the process of awakening. It goes far beyond anything you can imagine. All of reality will collapse if you go deep enough. But you are too scared to go that deep. You are not willing to surrender your whole life yet.

Thanks for answering! Part of me what you're saying knows this to be true, but this seems too radical to accept I guess, since it's too contradictory to my "normal" experience of the world.. 

[Brenzo2]

40 minutes ago, Joscha said:

Can you take this psychedelic as an absolute beginner? If you dose it low I mean. Its legal in my country. I am tempted. Is there any substance you can take if you get a bad trip with DPT? I've heard there is stuff you can take to minimize experienced fear or something.

Yeah Leo has talked about this a lot, you can take small amounts of ANY psychedelic and you should be able to handle it ?. The problem is dosing too high, too quickly.

Try searching the forum bar for keywords in your question. Should be able to find a lot more info. 

Edited June 23, 2019 by Brenzo2

[Girzo]

@Joscha

Yes. Get a scale, a drug testing kit and start low. I would suggest starting at 30 mg and incrementing up by ten milligrams every trip until you hit a sweet spot. Insufflated or plugged.

I know a few people whose first psychedelic was DPT, mostly positive experiences on 50-60 mg insufflated.

But start lower because potency of this substance varies in individuals. I guess it depends on body-weight. For a 75-80 kg male 60 mg is a good choice. It could be not for a 50 kg female.

[Joscha]

@Girzo @Brenzo2 Thanks! I'll look into it then I think.

[Girzo]

Although if you can get 4-HO-MiPT or 4-AcO-DMT or 4-HO-MET - any of these would be a better newbie substance.

[7Masterkeys]

Leo when you began your psychedelic journey you stated that 5-Meo-DMT potentiates other psychedelic experiences, making other psychedelics have qualities of a 5-MeO trip. 

Is it possible that your DPT experience has been potentiated by previous 5-MeO trips, where as if you never touched 5-MeO it would be completely different?

[kieranperez]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I found something even better

You mean better than DPT?

[smurf88]

On 6/22/2019 at 0:50 AM, Leo Gura said:

Here's the new video:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/dpt-the-other-god-molecule

"I couldn't understand how they thought they were ever alive."

Amazing video.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, 7Masterkeys said:

Is it possible that your DPT experience has been potentiated by previous 5-MeO trips, where as if you never touched 5-MeO it would be completely different?

Yes

And not only that, but my years contemplating changes my experiences a lot, making them way deeper.

The magic is not merely in the substance. The substance is only half the equation. The other half is you. The subtance is just a catalyst for you doing you.

How you do you is different than how I do me.

[Matt8800]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes

And not only that, but my years contemplating changes my experiences a lot, making them way deeper.

The magic is not merely in the substance. The substance is only half the equation. The other half is you. The subtance is just a catalyst for you doing you.

How you do you is different than how I do me.

@Leo Gura This is my experience also. I can use the exact same substance and the exact same dosage as what I might have done six to twelve months ago and get very difference experiences. 

For me, I think it is the purification process that correlates to the changing experience.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

For me, I think it is the purification process that correlates to the changing experience.

Yup, very much so.

[Girzo]

Here is my DPT trip report.

[noselfnofun]

This is interesting, there is a church in Manhattan that worships DPT and they believe DPT is god.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_True_Inner_Light 

[Rinne]

4 hours ago, noselfnofun said:

This is interesting, there is a church in Manhattan that worships DPT and they believe DPT is god.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_True_Inner_Light 

where are they located?

[Marcelo]

Hello, a newbie here. All the research companies I've tried to buy DPT are telling me that I need to be a research company or affiliated with a university and they don't ship to home address. Any tip and trick to overcome this?

[outlandish]

On 6/22/2019 at 8:22 PM, Shadowraix said:

@outlandish How experienced we talking? I have:

I've done up to 1500ug of lsd and had like 30 or so trips. Briefly tried dmt, didn't breakthrough but it blew my lsd trips out of the water. 

I can't fathom 5-meo or dpt

I'm not sure your question. Are you wondering how experienced I am, or how experienced one should be before taking DPT?

I'd say I'm "very experienced" with psychedelics.

IMO a person should have at a good few very solid trips under their belt on something classic like mushrooms or LSD before diving into DPT or 5-MeO-DMT.

You'd also need to be the sort of person that isn't just looking to have some fun and see pretty colours and patterns, but willing to go much deeper. You need some grit to benefit from these harder psychedelics. You'd also need some level of maturity and self-mastery.

Honestly, a person really could try either of those psychedelics as their first trip if they insisted. It's just not what I'd recommend when you could warm up on gentler/easier substances first. If an inexperienced person insisted on starting out with a harder psychedelic, they should just go in at a very low dose to begin, and work up. Even a highly experienced person should work their way up slowly like that - and this is what I did for both of these substances. It's critical that you test the waters carefully, especially with these lesser researched chemicals.

You definitely sound experienced enough to me @Shadowraix with 30 trips and a high dose of lsd.

Btw are you suuuuure you took 1500ug of lsd though? That's a shit ton. I know it's possible and lots of people have done it, but holy shit. If you have genuinely taken 1500ug of lsd and not been scared off of psychedelics permanently lol, you'll have no problem with DPT or 5-MeO-DMT.

[Shadowraix]

@outlandish Was asking how experienced one should be. And yeah I'm sure. I took 1500ug and 1000ug on separate occasions only once. The latter was my first ego death experience. I don't go that high anymore. I found 500ug to be my favorite spot. But back then I was doing lsd every two weeks and I was obsessed with pushing myself. I was humbled for sure after those 2 experiences.

Thanks a lot for your advice and knowledge. These days I trip to learn and I am excited to introduce these tools back to my life after a long break of integration. Been like a year since I have tripped and 2 years since my major awakening.