The DPT Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

I will soon be renaming this thread to: The DPT Mega-Thread

This will be our go-to thread about DPT related questions, tips, techniques, etc.

As usual, no sourcing questions.

Here are some good reference links:

• https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/DPT
• https://erowid.org/chemicals/dpt/
• https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/dpt-subthread-dpt-dosage-methods-of-administration.399044/
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipropyltryptamine
• https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/8y7k3j/dpt_dipropyltryptamine/

[Sempiternity]

Here's a bunch of trip reports if you all want to get a feel for what others have experienced with DPT.

https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_DPT.shtml

[Leo Gura]

Just be ware that many of those negative trip reports can be very misleading. For me the experience is purely positive and pleasant.

Dosages on PsychonautWiki seem to be pretty accurate. Rectal doses are similar to smoked dosages! Making it very potent.

For me, rectal doses go like this:

• Light: 20mg-30mg
• Medium: 30mg-40mg
• Heavy: 50mg+

But I'm pretty sensitive to all psychedelics, so you may need to dose higher.

Your starting dose should be no higher than 20mg to get a feel for the body load and vibrations.

With rectal administration the trip will start within 15 minutes, hit strong by 25 minutes, and last strongly until 2h30m. After effects tend to linger for quite a long time, at least a few more hours but you'll be out of the breakthrough zone by 2h30m.

Be very cautious with anything above 50mg. It will melt your reality.

DPT does not seem to come in any other form but HCl. The freebase version of DPT is oily and not suitable for storage from what I hear.

Oh, and DPT HCl refuses to dissolve in water at all. You can still make a suspension, but the actual DPT particles will not dissolve. This isn't a problem per se. It absorbs into the body just the same. But emptying the oral syringe is a bit trickier because sometimes the particles tend to stay in the back of the syringe requiring a bit more effort to deliver the full dose.

How To Plug Psychedelics video:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/how-to-plug-psychedelics

[Esoteric]

Awesome Leo. You are a radical teacher.

The thing with DPT dosage as well is that it builds on the previous dose. So if you take 50mg and fill it up with 25mg fyi it doesn't prolong the trip it actually takes you to 75mg dosage (if done within a certain time frame)

I've also only had great experiences on it. I mean it is very dark sometimes, but in the most fascinating way.

Also there is a church in Manhattan called The Church of True Inner Light that use DPT as their main sacrament. I remember getting their info-pdf. Pretty weird stuff. They basically believe in a Christian doctrine and that DPT is"weird and scary" until you go in with the belief that Christianity is right then it reveils Christian themed visuals and atmosphere. So it seems it can be deceptive to people that are naive, imo. Even more than your average psych

[Esoteric]

Also Leo. Please, listen to Bach's Brandenburg Concertos on it. Just try it once if you don't usually listen to stuff while tripping. No words can describe it.

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, Esoteric said:

I mean it is very dark sometimes, but in the most fascinating way.

I have not experienced any darkness from it. Just pure God & Love.

Interesting how that is. It seems to affect people very differently. It really unlocks the power of one's imagination, so whatever darkness exists in you may become manifest.

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Also there is a church in Manhattan called The Church of True Inner Light that use DPT as their main sacrament. I remember getting their info-pdf. Pretty weird stuff. They basically believe in a Christian doctrine and that DPT is"weird and scary" until you go in with the belief that Christianity is right then it reveils Christian themed visuals and atmosphere. So it seems it can be deceptive to people that are naive, imo. Even more than your average psych

Yeah, I read about it. Seems like a wacky cult-like organization. But they sure did pick a great chemical to start a religion around

DPT will completely unlock one's imagination, so whatever religious imagery one believes in will become manifest. Or if you believe in pure nonduality, that will become manifest.

On DPT I was actually able to integrate and understand all of the world's religious imagery simultaneously. It was an awesome degree of total integration which cannot be accomplished via ordinary thought. It was like a multi-dimensional integration and simultaneous understanding of all symbolic systems ever invented by mankind. All human symbolic understanding is relative and arbitrary. Yet all of it can also be meaningful to the one holding it.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Esoteric said:

Also Leo. Please, listen to Bach's Brandenburg Concertos on it. Just try it once if you don't usually listen to stuff while tripping. No words can describe it.

I can verify that musical enhancement is pretty awesome on this substance.

And it also seems to trigger crazy synchronicities. It's almost spooky how magical those can be. And I'm not a big synchronicity guy.

[Enlightenment]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's so backwards too, because salvia truly deserves to be regulated. It's a dangerous substance.

It's probably 2nd strongest psychedelic. Do you think it has good spiritual properties? 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Enlightenment said:

It's probably 2nd strongest psychedelic. Do you think it has good spiritual properties? 

I have not tried it on account of its dangers.

I assume it has some value. But from what I hear its too wild, chaotic, and nonsensical for our purposes.

Although Martin Ball used to like it a lot before he stumbled upon 5-MeO. He even wrote a whole book about salvia.

[Leo Gura]

Interesting note: Stan Grof did testing of DPT for treatment of alcoholics back in the 50's and 60's. I can definitely see it working for addiction recovery and treatment of depression.

Then again, if an anxious or depressed person takes DPT, they might be in for some hell as their negative mind might become realized.

[Shadowraix]

Your silentness towards mentions of dpt had me speculating but now it is confirmed. 

I think you've seen a lot of my posts, do you think I could handle this? I pursue truth but I won't deny the importance of working up to it 

[Enlightenment]

@Leo Gura A while ago I've written:   

 

 

 

On 9/26/2018 at 0:18 AM, Enlightenment said:

 

 

On 9/26/2018 at 0:18 AM, Enlightenment said:

I haven't tried 5-MeO yet, but I had an experience on DPT of what I would call complete ego death, beyond senses, time and space, the most humbling experience I've ever had. The moment after I came back it felt extremely true.

And you responded:

On 9/26/2018 at 2:51 AM, Leo Gura said:

 

 

 

On 9/26/2018 at 2:51 AM, Leo Gura said:

It will blow all of that away.

 

So now I'm more confident this was actually God people are talking about

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Rectal doses are similar to smoked dosages!

I disagree, it's much much closer to snorting and BTW snorting dosages on psyhonautwiki are too strong, 200mg snorted would be absolutle INSANITY

Edited June 22, 2019 by Enlightenment

[Esoteric]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have not experienced any darkness from it. Just pure God & Love. 

I don't mean dark in the sense of the world being cruel and you feel disconnected. I mean like a dark piece of literature, music or comedy bit that you enjoy. It's beautiful. It has a dissociative quality in that way. Like you can observe things really clearly from a grounded place.

Daniel Pinchbeck above has gone so far to write in a book of his that it is a portal to Satan. Sounds like he had a pretty traumatic experience on it lol.

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

Your silentness towards mentions of dpt had me speculating but now it is confirmed. 

I think you've seen a lot of my posts, do you think I could handle this? I pursue truth but I won't deny the importance of working up to it 

I have no idea. That decision is on you.

27 minutes ago, Enlightenment said:

@Leo Gura A while ago I've written:   

And you responded:

 

Sounds like I was being too flip. Sorry.

I don't know what I don't know

I am fallible. Which is why direct experience is king.

My impressions of DPT were highly distorted by the negative nightmarish trip reports I read. I was very shocked to discover DPT was very pleasant for me.

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So now I'm more confident this was actually God people are talking about

Well of course ego-death is God. It's just a question of how deeply you penetrate it. Sometimes its shallow, sometimes its very deep.

God has many layers to it. You also want to experience that the ordinary sensory world is God too, not just formlessness.

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I disagree, it's much much closer to snorting and BTW snorting dosages on psyhonautwiki are too strong, 200mg snorted would be absolutle INSANITY

You would not want to plug PsychonautWiki's snorting dosages. That would be INSANITY.

Their smoked dosages are accurate for plugging is what I meant. I have not smoked DPT so I don't know about what the best smoking dosages are. Sounds like starting low is a good idea.

[Leo Gura]

@Esoteric That's very odd. I did not experience anything dark like that.

I suspect that my DPT trips may be strongly influenced by prior 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs. So basically all I get is pure nondual consciousness, not some occult hellscape.

To me DPT is a bit like a cross between 5-MeO-DMT and mushrooms.

[Esoteric]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Esoteric That's very odd. I did not experience anything like that.

I suspect that my DPT trips may be strongly influenced by prior 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs. So basically all I get is pure nondual consciousness, not some visual hellscape.

That's probably it.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Esoteric said:

That's probably it.

But other people also report positive nondual experiences like this guy:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Experience:10mg_%26_20mg_Intravenous_DPT_HCl_-_Familiar_Shapes,_Experiencing_Death,_Immersed_in_The_Light

I doubt he took 5-MeO-DMT before.

[Psychonaut]

Does DPT create thoughts and parallel realititties or are you in control of it? Fe. LSD and weed can sometimes create thoughts that are not true. 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Esoteric I also think a lot of people dose too high, thus their trips become totally out of control.

I tend to dose moderately to avoid that.

If I doubled my dose, yeah, it might turn into a hellscape at some point. Mushrooms have taught me the hard way not to do that.

[Esoteric]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

But other people also report positive nondual experiences like this guy:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Experience:10mg_%26_20mg_Intravenous_DPT_HCl_-_Familiar_Shapes,_Experiencing_Death,_Immersed_in_The_Light

I doubt he took 5-MeO-DMT before.

Yeah, all my non-dual experiences have been positive as well. And far from every trip had "dark" qualities.

Yeah, honestly I still don't know what to make of it. It's like no other thing.