Solipsism is NOT true

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Galyna said:

@Leo Gura

Thank you for the nice responses.

Leo, when are you going to invite us to your seminar? Are we going to meet you this year? Have you decided to postpone with seminars?

I am so depressed lately, I do not see any reason to keep going. The more I think about the possibility of being infinite, the more depressed I become.  I wish from all my heart I meet you and other people who follow this pursuit. Sometimes, it is unbearable and feels so lonely. Would be nice to attain your convention for some "fresh air" and positive energy and offset. 

I understand that my mental state is temporary, but I wish I can get out of it as soon as I can. What book would you recommend to read or what practices should I do? I want to be happy again. I used to be happy when did something meaningful or hobby, now nothing excites me anymore, even traveling.

Thank you so much, 

Lots of hugs.

Unfortunately happiness cannot be attained as an external condition or even an internal condition. Happiness is simply accepting whatever arises, however it is, no matter how "bad" it is.

Meeting me will not really make you happy. I wish it were that easy.

Rather than trying to get out of your mental state the counter-intuitive move is to just accept it, make peace with it. And that is what ends up making it okay.

Then again, you can also act your way out of a funk. Like going outside for a jog or listening to some music. But that is not a permanent solution.

Sometimes this work is just fucking hard.

* hug *

[Galyna]

@Leo Gura

Thanks a lot for the response. Got it. But I am still looking forward to meeting you and other people like you were planning at the end of the last year. Gosh, thanks for all your hard work. 

Love you to pieces. ( in a good meaning of this word) 

[winterknight]

1 hour ago, Galyna said:

@Leo Gura

Thank you for the nice responses.

Leo, when are you going to invite us to your seminar? Are we going to meet you this year? Have you decided to postpone with seminars?

I am so depressed lately, I do not see any reason to keep going. The more I think about the possibility of being infinite, the more depressed I become.  I wish from all my heart I meet you and other people who follow this pursuit. Sometimes, it is unbearable and feels so lonely. Would be nice to attain your convention for some "fresh air" and positive energy and offset. 

I understand that my mental state is temporary, but I wish I can get out of it as soon as I can. What book would you recommend to read or what practices should I do? I want to be happy again. I used to be happy when did something meaningful or hobby, now nothing excites me anymore, even traveling.

Thank you so much, 

Lots of hugs. 

 

Go into psychoanalysis. Your emotional problems likely stem from your unconscious, and you need to spend time and effort to bring them into consciousness so they can be dealt with. Psychoanalysis is the best tool available for that. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Galyna said:

But I am still looking forward to meeting you and other people like you were planning at the end of the last year.

It might happen. We'll see. But don't get attached to it happening, as that just creates more suffering.

[Rinne]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Meeting me will not really make you happy. I wish it were that easy.

When will we be able to meet you anyways

Edited June 15, 2019 by Rinne

[electroBeam]

On 13/06/2019 at 7:09 PM, Shaun said:

What's funny is that Leo says that I am god and am all alone, yet he tells other people the exact same thing. If it were true, he should only be addressing me and would make me admin of the forum etc.

ooooooooo nice one!

in the present moment, literally, like everything outside the present moment doesn't exist, where are these people?

Imagine your eyeball is a computer screen. So all of reality is a computer screen. Imagine that these other people are behind the computer screen(not somewhere in the globe). 

Imagine that these other people are merged into the computer screen, you just can't see them because they are hehind the computer screen.

Imagine the computer screen is all there is.

are these other people really not apart of you?

[electroBeam]

On 14/06/2019 at 5:54 AM, Leo Gura said:

Illusion IS reality.

So if you think you have a past, you literally do! However you hold reality is what becomes real for you. Since you are God.

This is really profound, these gets to the root of knowing what a realization is, how realizations work, what they are made of, how god creates realizations, etc.

[Galyna]

@winterknight

Thank you, my friend

[Shadowraix]

@Galyna Consider you suffer because you resist and wish to get out of the very state you are in. Practice awareness when you suffer and let it go. Accept it for what it is. 

This seems to be another phase of your spiritual journey. It's not all happiness and rainbows. There's a lot to work through. 

Let go of all notions of being infinite, it's just a concept. You are suppose to be what you are right now. 

[Umar_uk]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No

There are degrees of knowing God.

Yes there are, but what I'm pointing out and I know you will understand what I'm saying is that all those degrees of knowing is also God exploring what it is like to explore the many degrees of knowing itself. My point is, God is still God whether God is being curious and exploring and discovering itself as God...it's all God..so even if God spends a whole finite life never exploring or discovering and being curious about itself, well that's just God too. It doesn't in the slightest bit matter to God since God is always this already completely here now anyway.

 

For me, There is nothing beyond knowing you are God the Absolute right now and here and that this is IT right here and now. There is no need to try and cross some far away distant horizon because any approach to reach God is also a recede away from God in the exact same moment...you know that Leo.

 

You can actually know God in an instant by remaing exactly where you are in complete silence and stillness. It's that simple for some, and that's what happened to me. I have had no teacher, neither have I practiced meditation, nor have I ever put a consciousness altering drug in my body. My awakening was completely spontaneous and natural. I have no idea why this happened to me personally, but it did.

 

I agree awakening is a process for many people ..but for me there was just a simple switch in perception from believing I am a separate self with a name-tag..to seeing that I am the whole undivided nondual self nameless and unborn....seriously Leo it was that simple switch in percetion for me...and you know that was God telling me who I am right there in that moment of perception..I just totally knew without knowing how I knew, so this to me is a very simple realisation that can be experienced by anyone.

It doesn't have to be made complicated. I understand and accept you don't agree with that, but the thing is everyone is different in how they perceive this realisation, it's all done differently...there is not just ONE WAY...for the same reason nature never repeats itself exactly.

 

Leo.. We can only KNOW the God of our own understanding. So what ever method works for one person is unique to them ONLY...it's not that there is ONLY one way to God, there are many ways to God, but the destination is always THE SAME  still silent place....ever here now.

 

 It's no good trying to convince others of what is only the God of your own understanding as being the ONLY WAY to see God, because like you say there are degrees of knowing God, but ultimately it's all GOD..so no one persons understanding of the Absolute has more precedence over another persons understanding of the Absolute.

That's all I'm trying to say.

 

Leo, your amazing insights in your videos are unprecedented, no other nondual speaker I've known have ever come close to being able to put this message into the greatest of depths and levels at which you have magaged to do. Most nondual speakers just skim the surface and miss out loads of important stuff, but you don't do that, you include every tiny detail....And for me, I totally understand everything you are speaking. When I hear you speak I'm like yeah, I totally get all that, I know that, I feel that too...it's almost like when I hear you I'm saying it all myself. You are a very gifted and  talented nondual speaker, you can articulate this message effortlessly, it takes my breath away to listen to you, you really know your metaphysics. A lot of you're listeners will totally get you, especially the ones who have had true full blown awakenings. I don't always agree with some of the points you make, but even when I don't agree, I still get the general gist of what you mean even though I may disagree with the way you deliver the point. But as relative aspects of the absolute we're always under construction here, because it's all God exploring itself forever, infinitely for eternity...infinite never completes, and it doesn't have to because nothing started it and nothing is stopping it.

 

Thanks for your wonderful forum and videos.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2019 by Umar_uk

[Inliytened1]

@Umar_uk that's very beautiful to hear - your awakening.  It truly is.  You must be very spiritually gifted.  Were you also raised studying Advaita Vedanta?  I noticed you bring it up an in earlier post.

Most of us here are raised in the Materialist paradigm making things even harder

We have to break through that first.

Edited June 15, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Umar_uk]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Umar_uk  Were you also raised studying Advaita Vedanta? 

Most of us here are raised in the Materialist paradigm making things even harder

We have to break through that first.

No, you are just making unwarranted assumptions here ...I  wasn't raised studying Advaita Vendanta at all...I just happened to mention it because it relates to my own awakening I had long before I even knew what it meant....AV means the end of knowledge, the end of a sense of I exist as a separate person. Ironically it's a knowledge that takes you to your true-self which is the end of your assumed ownership of any knowledge into the natural non-knowing knowing state that is everyone and no one... VA literature is pointing you back to your original source, aka the unborn born...it's the entrance into Nonduality...the Non-dual Self.

 

I was raised in the material paradigm too. Knowledge of yourself is a relative aspect of the Absolute Not-Knowing Knower...,but this material world made no difference to me, it didn't make it any harder for me personally as I've already explained to Leo. Awakenings can happen to anyone at anytime if that's what life evolves in that person to happen, and it will happen only when it's meant to happen and not one second before...A person seeking enlightenment can seek and seek and seek for the rest of their lives until they are on their deathbead, and still never get it...but if it's meant to happen, it surely will, so it's not something that can be forced, it ususally comes univited.. well it did for me around the age of 7 ..

 

Material and non-material reality are identical...because there is no such reality as a non-material -material world..they exist as one in the exact same moment now ....HERE there is not-knowing(aka non-material) known (aka material reality).....HERE Knower and Known are always one in the same instant, else how is anything known at all....So after enlightment chop wood carry water...carry on with ordinary living, no further inquiry is nescessary, because the realisation that there is no one to become enlightened and that enlightment is your natural state has dawned on you.

There is nothing deeper to find because all dimensions and everything and every conceivable world of every permutation and every conscious state that could possibly be imagined are all existing simultaneously right now anyway...there is nothing outside of the consciousness arena because it's infinite and boundless.

 

All Leo does is what a lot of nonduality speakers do ..and that is they just repeat what has been said thousands and thousands of times before by other awakened people over eons, it's all the same rehashed message made to sound new...it's bascially just about listening to your own echo that bellows as and through your sensory listening organs for all eternity...just like all sensations, and emotions and feelings...listening to the sound of words with meaning is just another sensation no one is experiencing...aka YOU...IT'S ALL YOU AKA GOD

It's as deep as it is shallow. But the one thing you cannot know on the relative human level is the Absolute because you already are the ABSOLUTE

On the human level you can only know what you have personally experienced directly, you cannot know what you don't know. You can become aware of what you didn't know and then know it now...but you can never know the Absolute. 

For what is not-known will eventually become known, but what is unknowable can never be known.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2019 by Umar_uk

[Umar_uk]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Umar_uk that's very beautiful to hear - your awakening.  It truly is.  You must be very spiritually gifted. 

 

The reason it's beautiful to hear is because you hearing your own self being reflected to you from me here.

 

Reality has nothing to do with being spiritually gifted either, it's just the one eternal true self experiencing a temporal self eternally. OR In other words The finite self remembering it's infinite eternal self...IT CUTS BOTH WAYS...reality is a two way mirror.

 

There is no big self or little self ..or any spiritual or enlightened self, these are all just concepts, imagination.

 

Awareness is not imagined...You are Awareness. As Awareness you cannot imagine yourself into being because you have never not been being. 

You know yourself as being only, you cannot know yourself as not being, you are always being here. 

 

You first have to before you can know you are being.

 

Awareness/ YOU / GOD is being both alive and dead in the exact same moment.

 

So when you think you are alive, you are actually dead, and when you think you are dead you are actually alive.

 

It's a mind fuck.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

@Umar_uk i understand that  i understand Oneness.  But the beauty of Infinity allows one to also virtually escape oneself through division.  Infinity wouldn't be infinity without the ability to limit.

So one can shift perspectives.  That is all reality is.  Your words are evidence of that.  Turn your gaze inwards and see the beauty of duality - do not limit yourself

I'm fully awake - you are not telling me anything i don't know.  I am God imagining you.  That is the highest realization.

I hope you see that someday - its beautiful.

I just asked you a simple question on how you were raised..i didn't ask for a lecture on Oneness.  I showed myself that.

Edited June 15, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Shadowraix]

@Umar_uk You seem to run yourself into an endless chain of nondual thought that kind of strays pretty far away from the core question being asked.

Not everything requires you to always go in-depth on the nondual foundations to make your point. Might save you some writing time and redundancy.

[Umar_uk]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Umar_uk i understand that  i understand Oneness.  But the beauty of Infinity allows one to also to escape oneself through division.  Infinity wouldn't be infinity without the ability to limit.

So one can shift perspectives.  That is all reality is.  Your words are evidence of that.  Turn your gaze inwards and see the beauty of duality - do not limit yourself

I'm fully awake - you are not telling me anything i don't know.  I am God imagining you.  That is the highest realization.

I hope you see that someday - its beautiful.

Why are you hoping I here will see that someday, you there are not telling me anything I here don't know. I see it here.

I here can never see what the other is seeing there because the other is imagined illusion here, and illusions cannot see each other. 

So it matters not what you there say to me here or vice versa...we're just all parrots parroting the same knowledge albeit in different ways.

I understand everything you are saying...I know what duality is because I understand what is isn't.

Of course the limitless cannot experience itself without limiting itself, that's why limitation is, it's a tiny snapshot of the whole enchilada, a limitation is just one experience of which there are infinite experiences occuring infinitely... through the lens of each individual human camera.

Ultimately once awakened there is nothing to explain about existence, it's interesting how we keep going through the maze from source to individuation of source?
No awakening ever happened, any apparent awakening is simply seen for what it is/not...as and through the dream of separation.. (illusion)

 

 

 

[Umar_uk]

37 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Umar_uk i understand that  i understand Oneness.  But the beauty of Infinity allows one to also virtually escape oneself through division.  Infinity wouldn't be infinity without the ability to limit.

So one can shift perspectives.  That is all reality is.  Your words are evidence of that.  Turn your gaze inwards and see the beauty of duality - do not limit yourself

I'm fully awake - you are not telling me anything i don't know.  I am God imagining you.  That is the highest realization.

I hope you see that someday - its beautiful.

I just asked you a simple question on how you were raised..i didn't ask for a lecture on Oneness.  I showed myself that.

36 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Umar_uk 

I just asked you a simple question on how you were raised..i didn't ask for a lecture on Oneness.  I showed myself that.

36 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Umar_uk 

I just asked you a simple question on how you were raised..i didn't ask for a lecture on Oneness.  I showed myself that.

Yes of course you didn't ask for lectures on oneness, you don't need to hear anything from me, but that didn't stop you from replying to me did it?....you had to make sure you put your two pence worth in...when you make a response to someone, or ask them a question., you might just not get back what you want, don't cry about it...also of course my replies to you are going to bore the fuck out of your tiny little mind because at the end of the day we only like the sound of our own  sweet voice don't we !! ...It's always about me, me, me, me, me...isn't it...? you fucking rude dick head.

.. oh I'm so enlightened, please don't tell what I already know ..I've got such a big fat spiritually enlightened head it could almost block out the sun ..it makes me want to vomit, the people on this forum are total idiots.

 

 

[Umar_uk]

37 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

@Umar_uk You seem to run yourself into an endless chain of nondual thought that kind of strays pretty far away from the core question being asked.

Not everything requires you to always go in-depth on the nondual foundations to make your point. Might save you some writing time and redundancy.

So what?

 

Who the fucking fuck gives a fuck... who the fuck cares? ...stop taking this all so seriously, stop taking yourselves seriously, it's all just God banter appearing from out the empty fucking void anyway...who's to stop it what appears, it's just what it is...how ever it comes out...it's no big fucking deal.

 

When are you going to Free yourself of having to correct yourself or do another way what is already happening the way it is meant to happen?  ...there's only one way life ways ...life is going live right now...this is not a fucking dress rehearsal......no good crying over split milk.

Fuck it!! said OSHO

 

Chuck it in the fucking fuck it bucket...and shut the fuck up.

 

Not you personally Shadowraix..I'm just venting off some energy, it's ok to do that, it's what energy does...it builds up and then blows it's top...nothing is ever personal. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

@Umar_uk can you keep your egoic meltdowns private?  We get enough of those around here

Just kidding with you.

[Umar_uk]

29 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Umar_uk can you keep your egoic meltdowns private?  

Stop wishing what's happening not to happen. If I'd wanted to do it in private I would have done it in private. 

 

Are we not allowed to be free now...?

 

Who is going to stop God doing what God does?

 

Is anyone being murdered here, is there a crime being committed?

 

You know what I find so really weird and disturbing ..is that Leo can say things like when your child is brutally murdered, you can still remain in a state of bliss and happiness. 

He can say shocking things like that and yet no one bans him from Youtube for saying that, but then Leo thinks it's quite alright to ban people from his forum for saying what they say...but he is allowed to say what the fuck he wants because he likes to play God...how fucking weird and retarted  is that.

 

Do you not see how the human ego is so totally fucked up...and crazy...but then it's all ok, to be totally fucking crazy because well ...it's all just God 

 

So really, you should just remain calm and blissful and happy happy clappy happy when i have my meltdowns ok...stop resisting what's not happening. Why are you bothered?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2019 by Umar_uk