Is 5 meo dmt really a magic pill to enlightenment?

[Preetom]

On 6/12/2019 at 1:03 PM, Leo Gura said:

Not really. You suggest they use that word in a binary way whereas I use it more as matters of degree.

You can map a binary model onto a non-binary model.

It's like one person says: there exist cats and dogs.

And another person says: there exist Siamese, Calicos, Pit bulls, Golden Retrievers, etc.

Are they contradicting each other? No

But Leo?!

Arent you making a serious logical contradiction here?

Yes you can reduce and relate any objective system in terms of other objective system.

But when it comes to Consciousness, we are in a whole different league now. It is of the nature of Ultimate, pure Subject, Pure sentiency and knowingness. 

And the ONLY way to 'know' Consciousness is to BE Consciousness. This is exactly why science or any objective operation will never be able to reduce/relate Consciousness into an objective system.

Science has already debunked the so called 'life force' which we believed came and go with birth and death. In the future, Science might even figure out the mind, mapping out a periodic table of ''subtle elements", latent tendencies, causal realms, intellect so on and so forth. And all this is viable because all of them are 'objects' and thus could be further reduced into other objective operations.

But the pure subject, Consciousness? Never.

Isn't this why no metaphor, symbol, knowledge, system is able to 'touch' Consciousness in the first place?

So the cat and dog example you gave is a serious contradiction. It's viable only while we are mingling with objective processes.

Edit: And also your usual statement about MANY degrees of Consciousness is a huge contradiction. How can there be degrees or parts of the solitary, ultimate subject?

Yes you can definitely say that there are infinite degrees and gradations when it comes to embodying, exploring, reflecting Consciousness and other relative realms. But saying Consciousness ITSELF has degrees, you are reducing it down as an objective phenomena.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Preetom

[Inliytened1]

@Preetom no he is saying that its not like one day you aren't eniightened and the next day you are.  In binary terms non enlightened is the 0 and enlightenment is the 1.  It's not like that.

Or cat vs dog where cat is the 0 and dog is the 1.  There are degrees of cats and dogs.

It's the cumulation of consciousness expansion.  People think that there is this concept of "boom actual enlightenment" it's not like that.

 

Edited June 14, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Preetom]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Preetom no he is saying that its not like one day you are eniightened and the next day you arent.  In binary terms non enlightened is the 0 and enlightenment is the 1.  It's not like that 

It's the cumulation of consciousness expansion.  People think that there is this concept of "boom actual enlightenment" it's not like that.

 

Still this is contradictory and misleading. I added another paragraph in my previous post which points it out.

The 'thing' that thinks it got enlightened yesterday and lost it today is not Consciousness. Of course there are MANY nuance and degrees of that 'thing'. But its sure as hell not the concern of solitary Consciousness.

For Consciousness, there is no enlightenment and coming out of it.

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

@Preetom  You are conflating pure/infinite consciousness with finite consciousness.  Remember when an ego is reborn it has more consciousness than before.  It died. God revealed itself to itself.  The ego is reborn and that consciousness is passed to the ego.  The ego is still God, it's all one.  But now as the ego you transcend that and become both..that's that non-dual awareness.  But it takes multiple awakenings - the biggest and final being total solipsism.  

It's tricky.

[Preetom]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Preetom  You are conflating pure/infinite consciousness with finite consciousness.  

Yes. But Leo never makes this distinction when he preaches about MANY degrees of Consciousness.

I was pointing out the misleading contradictions of how he usually frames these things.

The rest of the post was lol ?

 

Edited June 14, 2019 by Preetom

[Inliytened1]

@Preetom well shame on him then.  He does say to point out his mistakes.  He's open to improvement.  That's the sign of true wisdom.

[Epiphany_Inspired]

@BobbyI don't know... hitting rock bottom is a magic pill for some too (like Ekart Tolled, or Byron Katie), but it doesn't mean that it would work for everyone... some hit rock bottom and continue to sink into the molten core of oblivion...

I have a question too... I've now had multiple people ( whom have taken this) tell me that individuals with children must avoid this at all costs because the life-fracturing quality of this medicine is so disassembling... thoughts?