Who's Interested In Conscious Politics?

[Revolutionary Think]

@Leo Gura you're mystical if I'm not mistaken. What do you think of this guy? 

   

[Leo Gura]

@Joseph Maynor I am rich. Bernie Sanders would be the worst for me personally.

Trump gave me a $40,000 tax refund last year and will again next year.

The current system is great for me personally.

[Zweistein]

https://www.ted.com/talks/hajer_sharief_how_to_use_family_dinner_to_teach_politics
Love this idea 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Zweistein

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@Bodigger  "Tax everyone but me and people that I deem to be mine or like me" seems to be the motto for some.  And paradoxically, this is also the most densely Egoic stance you can take.

That's the conservative / libertarian stance...not sure what you are saying here because you appear from your posts to be conservative.

[Anderz]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's very easy to pass some laws that further tighten this. If a corporation over $1 billion wants to do business in the US, they must place a headquarters here.

That seems dangerous long-term. When it comes to technology Asia is already ahead of the U.S. And China, that wasn't much of a competition just a few years ago is now rocketing past the western tech companies. In the end most big corporations would move out of the U.S. resulting in a dwindling American economy. And absolutely massive corporations are needed for tech development. Already today Apple for example struggles to keep up with the Asian companies, to a large extent probably because Apple doesn't manufacture its own hardware, and lacks experience and sufficient expertise in that area.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Anderz

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I apply the Paradox of Conservativism and Liberalism.

Here though, I feel like I need to make the Conservativism correction to white-knuckle clinging too hard to the Liberalism end of the paradox.

So you are not against a tax increase on the wealthy correct?  Provided those tax dollars don't get dumped into a corrupt system.

[Angelo John Gage]

@Leo Gura  how rich are you?  we need to see your income for transparency purposes  

[Angelo John Gage]

@Joseph Maynor Paradoxes should be taxed too

[Aeris]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Haha!  Right on dude.  I'm a smooth operator.  

Do you use your models as 'mind checkpoint' sort of self- Map construct to bring ideas/ create intuitive Dynamic result . Is that made to expand the mind result ?

Aren't all those maps relative to Joseph ?

[Anderz]

@Leo Gura I think your explanation of the need for, and actually an inevitable, move to a global system was excellent with really great comparison of early history cities with walls and California not launching missiles at Texas. But I did't notice any mentioning of the need for dealing with multinational corporations on a global political level. That's something necessary 10 years from now not 100 years from now.

[Aeris]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Well it's all me, so of course all my maps are relative to me.

Would you try to convey your exclusive expérience to the other universe or will you only focus on your own tools ?

Don't you think than sharing and translating' your expérience can provide you with review & accuracy ?

[Anderz]

This might sound a bit Orwellian, haha, but I think we should set up a global financial control system with a digital global currency. And have all transactions tracked by the global financial control system. And remove all petty financial borders in the world and silly tariffs and all that childish and immature nonsense.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Paradoxes are not beliefs, they're models.  Paradoxes are systems that create a open-minded climate for solutions to non-linearly emerge.  I don't expect language to capture being.  Map vs. Territory.  You're re-framing paradoxes within the Paradigm of Belief that you're operating from.  When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.  Paradoxes are not beliefs, they're conceptual tools to keep the mind open so the right idea can emerge for the problem at hand.

A paradox is something that self contradicts itself leading to a strange loop.   Such as the statement "I always Lie".  This leads to a loop because if you always lie then this statement is a lie.  Meaning that you sometimes tell the truth.  So how can both statements be true? Yet impossibly they are. 

Can you define what makes liberalism vs conservative a paradox and provide an example?  Or are you just copying that out of a book?

[Anderz]

Trump and the Chinese leader are like little children arguing with each other. It's embarrassing frankly. Create a digital global currency legally administered by the UN and with practical running operations of the currency managed by the intelligence agencies around the world such as the NSA, GCHQ and whatever other agencies there in other countries such as Russia, China, Brazil and Germany. That should be trustworthy enough.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Anderz said:

That seems dangerous long-term.

By your logic the US should not have child labor laws because it would be bad for companies and they would just move overseas and exploit children there.

You are thinking about this all wrong. The point of these policies is to create a more healthy, conscious, loving society. This comes at the cost of maximization of profits and growth. This is a big shift in paradigm. A more conscious society will become more powerful than all other societies in the long term even if it doesn't maximize profits. Precisely BECAUSE it doesn't maximize profits!

You cannot even begin to imagine how powerful America would become if we passed all these changes I propose. Consciousness and Love is the ultimate power.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Angelo John Gage said:

@Leo Gura  how rich are you?  we need to see your income for transparency purposes  

Pass the law and you'll see. Until then I'll be a greedy capitalist in accordance with the standards of our culture

[Anderz]

@Leo Gura I don't think isolationism on a national level will work for much longer into the future. Think of the cities with walls you mentioned in your latest video.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Anderz said:

@Leo Gura I don't think isolationism on a national level will work for much longer into the future. Think of the cities with walls you mentioned in your latest video.

I am not for isolation. Globalism will only grow larger.

But people will want to live in the most developed and conscious countries. The whole point is to make America extremely appealing to live in -- much more appealing than now.

Expecting American citizens to pay taxes is not isolationism. If you don't want to pay taxes, fine. Then surrender your citizenship. To not pay your fair share of taxes is literally leeching off your community. It is the most unpatriotic thing you could do. Basically it's treason.

Imagine if tax evasion was tried in court as treason.

[Anderz]

@Leo Gura But you also need to make America appealing for corporations, even for the big multinational corporations. Or else the U.S. economy will dwindle.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Anderz said:

@Leo Gura But you also need to make America appealing for corporations, even for the big multinational corporations. Or else the U.S. economy will dwindle.

It already IS extremely appealing for corporations. Corporations are making a killing. They ain't going anywhere. These are empty threats. They only ship the lowest jobs overseas. Management lives here for a good reason.

What you gotta see is that a popular country has enormous leverage over corporations. A popular country has what the corporations want most: 1) a big market of consumers, and 2) the top talent in the world.

Good luck running Google in China or Brazil. The world's best computer engineers don't want to live in China or Brazil when they could be living in the Bay Area. The best talent comes from high consciousness societies. This is not an accident. That's the whole point of a constructing a high consciousness society.