Who's Interested In Conscious Politics?

[QandC]

@Bodigger That's also my philosophy, it always starts with the individual. But then we have to ask ourselves why the individual in the first place wants to find the motivation to do so and even get the proper education etc. That always comes from proper systems and politics we cannot deny that

[Yog]

@Revolutionary Think I've only remember the ones with Peter Ralston. And yea that curly dating guy.

I do not see him debating any T1 humans, yet there are emerging T2 channels around the web, not a lot of T2 people around, but still they gather and discuss solutions/situations.

Would love to see Leo contribute to that, @Aakash that's why I poke in the liver. If he has any.

For eg:

I do not smell any transcend and include stuff around, unless some divine intervention happens.... for the very reason this new structures are forming.

In the next 10 years if shit doesn't hit the fan, these structures will merge with government .
And how will we have Leo for President if he just stays at his cave doing his paintings ? This is our goal, isn't it



 

Edited August 5, 2019 by Yog

[Revolutionary Think]

Right because in some situations people live in dysfunctional families and dysfunctional neighborhoods where the people around them aren't really that helpful we can't keep demonizing the government even though the government isn't perfect we have to zoom out and see the big picture not just look at things with our own lens. 

[QandC]

@Joseph Maynor LOL! True, but on what premise and responsibility according to who? 

Btw. I liked your interview with Zzenn

[Revolutionary Think]

In a corrupt corporate culture the CEO's would at least have the responsibility to see that their workers are not exploited and can at least make ends meet and not have to have 2 to 3 side hustles just to live comfortably. I don't think a person being exploited and overworked by inside a corrupt culture that's it's a failure of their personal responsibility.  

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What we need is Universal Basic Collective Responsibility.  

The problem with only talking about personal responsibility is that it becomes a blank check for selfishness. People take personal responsibility to maximize their profits & success by exploiting and manipulating the collective.

The easiest road to wealth & success is by exploiting the collective. So of course that's what people do.

[Revolutionary Think]

@Joseph Maynor And how's the schools teaching nothing about finances help? Easier said than done and if school is charging you money that you don't have but, you need the job to make the money to go to the school to have the education so the job hires you... You see how you just can't boil it down to something and make it too simplistic. 

[How to be wise]

16 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Conscious politics.  Get your highlighters out.

 

According to the book Spiral Dynamics, Perot was stage BLUE, lower than both Bush and Clinton. If you have the book, read about him on page 127, fourth paragraph.

[How to be wise]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Perot is at Yellow or Turquoise.

I think we should trust Beck and Cowen more than ourselves. The 90s was their time after all.

Plus, I highly doubt that Beck would mistake a Yellow person for Blue. 

[Leo Gura]

Perot is old-school Blue/Orange.

[Forestluv]

Be mindful of mistaking high level orange for yellow. A high intellect does not necessary mean yellow. There are many brilliant philosophers, scientists and economists that are at a very high intellectual level within Orange. Orange intellect can go quite high and be mistaken as yellow. 

[Revolutionary Think]

@Serotoninluv Yes. I've seen first hand people with high IQs who are extremely dogmatic, have no sense of nuance, and they're stuck in their ways. 

[Forestluv]

15 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

@Serotoninluv Yes. I've seen first hand people with high IQs who are extremely dogmatic, have no sense of nuance, and they're stuck in their ways. 

Yep. It’s common with minds that strongly value intellect/logic/reason and are attached and identified with these dynamics. For example, Richard Dawkins has a very high intellect, yet is still Orange. One indicator, as you mentioned, is a “stuck in their ways” attitude. A form of rigidity and defensiveness to their views and intellect. These are often constrained within logical frameworks. As well, they are still immersed within a strong personality, Orange will often personalize ideas as “mine” and “yours” and want to engage in debate utilizing Orange level tools such as logic, facts and evidence. Nothing wrong with that, yet Orange is constrained within it. Yellow minds have conversations that are much less about personalities and more about fluid exploration. 

[Skanzi]

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[Revolutionary Think]

@QandC 

[Angelo John Gage]

Electoral college is to protect smaller states from being ruled by a handful of super populated states.

Our country is a republic not a mob democracy and the electoral college was designed to make sure the mobs do not rule. Furthermore, to eliminate the electoral college you'd have to eliminate the states themselves. In other words it would only be fair if America was just a single state with no electoral college (wouldn't be necessary) instead of what it is, a union of states with their own unique laws.

I'm gonna jot down a list of other objections that i may have as i continue watching but so far I agree with almost everything you're saying especially in regards to dealing with govt and lobby corruption, greedy corps, and military industrial complex

Great work friend. @Leo Gura

[Angelo John Gage]

Also if you missed the biggest issue is that our monetary system is ass backwards based on debt. The federal reserve shouldnt even exist as we borrow our own money at interest and keeps driving out currency to the ground.

Our money should be based on our labor, not speculation. Its should be immune to inflation. Also, usury should be illegal.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Angelo John Gage

[Angelo John Gage]

Btw, Gaddafi wrote a book about his idea of government. This was before he was taken out by us and our proxies.

Its a short work but interesting :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://openanthropology.org/libya/gaddafi-green-book.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj76MDlu-3jAhXGUt8KHeWBBfYQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2mk5iRoOpup6a3Fgw71-Fj&cshid=1565067792122

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Angelo John Gage said:

Electoral college is to protect smaller states from being ruled by a handful of super populated states.

The smaller states are over-represented in the Senate. In fact this is one of our biggest problems. The least developed rural states have a majority strangle hold over the Senate which makes it impossible to pass progressive legislation.

What the smaller rural states don't appreciate is just how much their boats are lifted by the largest and most progressive states like NY, California, Washington, etc. These states pay the bulk of taxes because they add massive economic value. Yet their votes are not worth as much.

Votes should be allocated by people, not by state. Otherwise you have a backward democracy where the minority opinion actually rules the majority. Just think about it, why should a president with the minority of popular votes win while the one with the majority lose? It makes no sense. If the guy you voted for won the popular vote but lost the election, you'd rightly be upset. Especially if two such elections lead to disastrous policies like the Iraq War and the Trump administration. What makes all this particularly galling is that the most conscious candidates are actually winning the popular vote, but still losing the election!

If California was properly represented under the principle of 1 person, 1 vote, America would be able to pass significantly more progressive legislation. Right now we have the least developed parts of the country cockblocking humane legislation.

California, NY, and Washington lead the way on progressive legislation: clean air, clean energy, living wage, etc, etc. Alabama ain't putting forth the most conscious & loving policies.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Angelo John Gage said:

Also if you missed the biggest issue is that our monetary system is ass backwards based on debt. The federal reserve shouldnt even exist as we borrow our own money at interest and keeps driving out currency to the ground.

I mention this a bit in the video. Yes, the currency needs to be not fucked with. I am all for balanced budgets and no going into debt.