Who's Interested In Conscious Politics?

[Aakash]

@Joseph Maynor Okay sorry my bad, i actually lost it for a second in madness, 

i actually don't have an answer, but ill try 

basically, 

58 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Moralistic mentality.  Believes in the Fall of Man* subconsciously.  Religious mentality.  Black and white thinking.  Absolute Truth.  Righteous service.  Believes Man needs to purify himself.

your literally right, all these things above are in fact TRUTH with a capital T. 

[Aakash]

yes Maybe you are right in this case, but when I wrote that I wasn’t really like thinking lol. 

So my answer now is: it seems like you have a lot of stigma towards stage blue people for their ridiculous belief in god. Have you understood why this may be ? 

[Leo Gura]

@Joseph Maynor @Aakash @Etherial Cat You will be banned if you keep derailing this thread with your back and forth pointless comments.

[Aakash]

@Leo Gura sorry I hid the main stupid point. 

I was just well you know, in a moment

[Zigzag Idiot]

When i become identified strongly about something, I forget myself.

A conscious politician would not identify and would be at an advantage over a semi-conscious reactive opponent, who relies on handlers and P. R. Experts to keep them out of trouble.

 

[DrewNows]

3 minutes ago, Zigzag Idiot said:

When i become identified strongly about something, I forget myself.

A conscious politician would not identify and would be at an advantage over a semi-conscious reactive opponent, who relies on handlers and P. R. Experts to keep them out of trouble.

 

He/she would at least be aware if and when they did identify 

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, Zigzag Idiot said:

A conscious politician would not identify and would be at an advantage over a semi-conscious reactive opponent, who relies on handlers and P. R. Experts to keep them out of trouble.

The problem is more tricky than that.

The problem is this: a conscious politician would be a decent human being. By virtue of this, he/she would not be very manipulative nor stoop to dirty and unfair tactics. But an unconscious politician would not be limited in this way. He/she would manipulate to the max and act like a devil. This devilry would give him a huge advantage against the conscious person when it comes to capturing the public's attention.

This is exactly what Trump and far right-wing people do. They have no shame because they are unconscious and absolutistic in their ignorance. And even in the rare case when a highly conscious leader manages to get elected, he is usually quickly killed or demonized to the point where his reputation is tarnished beyond repair.

And in this way, devilry and falsehood sustains itself. It always loses in the long-run, but the short-run it can be very powerful.

This is a profoundly deep and difficult problem. It has no easy resolution, requiring us to go through war, conflict, violence, debate, anger, etc. Which is why human history has been so violent. War is a feature, not a bug.

Ignorance cannot help but be ignorant.

[Zigzag Idiot]

@Leo Gura I see! True. True.

[Yonkon]

[Leo Gura]

@Etherial Cat Yes, that's why integrity is such an important quality in a good leader.

Which is why Trump is such a terrible leader. He does not even know the meaning of that word.

Bernie has amazing integrity. High integrity comes with consciousness. So as our society becomes better as elevating the consciousness of all citizens, we will have more high-integrity leaders (and followers).

[Leo Gura]

@Etherial Cat There is a degree of integrity at any stage. But the higher the stage the more consistent it tends to be.

It varies a lot from person to person.

Yes, Orange can have high integrity. Howard Stern might be a good example.

[Inliytened1]

@Joseph Maynor Bring it on! Of course he is just lecturing to his imagination

 

[SerpaeTetra]

Hey Leo - Not sure if this has been covered, but how do you feel about voting for an independent? 

Example, 2020: Trump vs Sanders vs 2-10% Independent guy (who you really really like)...

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, SerpaeTetra said:

Hey Leo - Not sure if this has been covered, but how do you feel about voting for an independent? 

Example, 2020: Trump vs Sanders vs 2-10% Independent guy (who you really really like)...

Terrible. A vote only has value if it goes towards someone who has a decent chance of winning.

I'm not a fan of symbolic voting. To me that's a wasted vote.

BTW, Bernie IS an independent! He's an indepedent senator. He's merely running as a Democrat because it is practical.

[Scholar]

Leo why does politics matter? Is it merely because of your own preferences? How can we deem reality to be perfect if we continue to measure it? If you had a preference for the world to be destroyed, would you manipulate us so as to lead to the destruction of the world?

And if not, why not?

[Truth Addict]

@Scholar

It matters because we can't avoid politics. But we can become more and more conscious of our political views and values.

[Truth Addict]

On 13/06/2019 at 7:22 AM, Leo Gura said:

@Joseph Maynor @Aakash @Etherial Cat You will be banned if you keep derailing this thread with your back and forth pointless comments.

Whoa! I don't think that deserves a banning decision.

[DrewNows]

4 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

Whoa! I don't think that deserves a banning decision.

It was a threat lol 

12 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@Scholar

It matters because we can't avoid politics. But we can become more and more conscious of our political views and values.

Yes it’s good to use the system to create the building blocks for consciousness work on a larger scale since we are stuck with and in it now. 

Basically infiltration from the inside out 

[Truth Addict]

2 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

It was a threat lol

Talk about good politics! Haha! ?

2 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

Yes it’s good to use the system to create the building blocks for consciousness work on a larger scale since we are stuck with and in it now. 

Basically infiltration from the inside out 

I agree. Consciousness is the solution ?

Edited June 14, 2019 by Truth Addict

[ThomasT]

@Leo Gura I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I would love to see some high consciousness perspectives on politics. Here in Norway we have an election in a couple of months. We are a orange/green society without any clear yellow party. 

I'm thinking of voting for the greenest party. (Within reason). It's not a winner takes all here, so it wouldn't be a wasted vote.

Again, to get your systems thinking perspective on this would surely help inform many of our decisions.