A person does not get enlightened; enlightenment simply is the truth

[winterknight]

 

[Inliytened1]

Indeed.  This is why it is said that one is already enlightened.  Which isn't quite right either because it is from one relative perspective.  Well said.  Enlightenment is a duality

 The Absolute is the Absolute.

Part of duality is the duality becoming aware that it is non-duality.  Reality turning in on itself.

 

[SgtPepper]

Very good! Thank you for sharing.

 

[ValiantSalvatore]

Here is the whole map explaining stages of enlightenment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_enlightenment.

How buddah framed it. The view described above sounds like stream entry or no self, true self. 

[tecladocasio]

@SgtPepper And that's why enlightenment has no grades. Ta-da !

[Inliytened1]

@tecladocasio no one said that. Do not limit infinity.

[tecladocasio]

@Inliytened1 I think you didn't watch the video. Ask @winterknight for a authentic response, if he gives you more credibility to talk about this.

[Inliytened1]

@tecladocasio he needs not respond.  He is me.  You have much to learn as you are only seeing one side or the coin.

[tecladocasio]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You have much to learn as you are only seeing one side or the coin.

@Inliytened1 Look at your own arrogance.

[Inliytened1]

@tecladocasio that's you projecting.  I'm just stating what is.  

[SoonHei]

take out the what you know to be as the know-er / experiencer of the present moment and what do you have? 

 

notice how the know-er / experiencer ONLY exists / comes to light with the thought/thinking that there is a experiencer / know-er.

 

just BE

[Jkris]

@SoonHei There is only experience of the experience or there is only knowing of the experience.

The experiences include a sense of self or the i or me feeling and other experiences thought emotions.

And the experience of waking state or conciousness.

And thoughts which are centered around an assumption i thought or me thought.

And now how to remove all these experiences ??? ???

There is no experience of the experiencer ???

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[SoonHei]

@Jkris no need to remove

the one who asks to remove is part of the experience 

 

enlightenment (what you seek) isn't a process in time. it is instantaneous 

it is a recognition

 

if you think that to be enlightened you must remove all those from experience. that is not so...

you must simply not be attached to the thoughts and that takes away the power you give to them

you do this by knowing that the thoughts are not you - they appear in you

like a bird's chirp. you hear it. in one ear and out the other. doesn't bother you. 

you hear it and aren't affected by it

when you can hear your thoughts the same way you hear the bird's chirp. you will have found your eternal home.

 

and of course, the one reading this and thinking I WILL FIND THE ETERNAL HOME or START TO HEAR MY THOUGHTS - will not find the home or hear his thoughts. for he is the thought itself.

only the reader of the book can realize that he is outside of the world created in the book. the character in the world/book cannot escape it.

[Inliytened1]

It can be stated that Enlightenment is Truth, or God.  One is already enlightened or being Infinity/God/Being right now.  It matters not whether they are Being (formlessness - form/ego) or if they are the ego/form/content within Being or Infinity (or a part or finitude of infinity)  its all One.  

But keep in mind that as the form you have forgotten you are formless.  You did this to yourself because there was no where else to go.  No where else to escape.   You can become conscious and discover that you are the formless.

It doesn't change that you were One the whole time.  But at the same time it allows you to know yourself through yourself and rediscover and create yourself over and over forever.  

So by forgetting, or limiting, you are virtually escaping yourself.  How ingenious!

Edited June 5, 2019 by Inliytened1

[SoonHei]

The TV is simply always on.

The ego thinks that it needs to be showing beautiful colors, landscapes, flowers etc and that would be enlightenment...

but how can that be that the case? the tracings say enlightenment is always the case. this means, no matter what is being displayed on the TV, enlightenment / truth is always present. this means it is beyond the content being displayed and is simply whatever is currently appearing - and whatever is currently appearing is one/intimate with the screen... (whatever is currently appearing IS the screen) 

 

since non-duality:

if A (whatever is happening) = B (screen)

there really is no distinction other than the label we give it. it is ONE. Being. WHAT IS - prior to any labels / abstractions.

and if there are abstractions/label that is also WHAT IS

"talking about what's happening is what's happening"

 

enlightenment is the recognition that one is the TV screen and not exclusively the content/story appearing on the screen. ONE IS ALL and ALL IS ONE.

[Mu_]

3 hours ago, winterknight said:

 

A lot of juiciness in such a short video, bravo.  So is there a difference in one who finds this out and one who has never encountered this view your sharing, or denies this is the case.  Also what do you say to someone who has a different view on awakening and see's order and purpose with a clear direction of life/Self/God itself?  Do you disagree, let them be, have proof to show them that your understanding is more correct, or do you leave room in yourself that you may be incorrect or have more to see and discover?  Just curious of your thoughts and answers to these questions and encounters (because I'm sure you've realized that there are a few different enlightened teachers out there who share different views and are accepted as enlightened, and that don't all agree).

Edited June 5, 2019 by Mu_

[Inliytened1]

@SoonHei exactly!! But you can call that whatever you want..its just a word or a duality..call it Awakening or Enlightenment, or don't call it anything.  Call it becoming aware that you are awareness.  Call it the illusion discovering its an illusion.  Call it God being God.  We can go on and on with duality.  Its basically God enlightening himself - and their are stages - it's Not a person as he stated.

Edited June 5, 2019 by Inliytened1

[ValiantSalvatore]

Reading the map would be helpful, yet nobody cares again. 

For all stages of enlightenment, in case someone is interested in that. 

Otherwise these individual subjective experiences sound confusing, yet could create meaning. 

 

[Inliytened1]

@Mikael89 a mystical experience isn't an experience.   This is a bad word for it because words can't capture it!  You literally collapse into Being (which you always were)  but minus the ego.  You die dude!

And then you are reborn! It's quite amazing!

Edited June 5, 2019 by Inliytened1

[SOUL]

I can understand why so many are lost and still self suffering when this type of dualism teaching is so prevalent and dominates the discourse. The truth/false dichotomy is so ingrained in the mind that few recognize it's influence on them and how it is the source of the self suffering.