Stage orange mystic

[Aldo]

Do you guys think if a stage orange businessman after enlightenmend would still hold his business as his life purpose?

[Inliytened1]

@Aldo he would most likely slowly try to transition himself out of it.  Maybe write some books on enlightenment or find another source of income.  Or if he preferred he would evolve his business into a stage yellow business.  He would evolve either way.

 

Edited June 5, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Jacobsrw]

@Aldo To my understanding life purpose can still be directly correlated to what is currently being done even after enlightenment. The biggest difference after enlightenment would be the approach he takes to business. This would organically change to a multidimensional approach that no longer just serves his ego and identity but rather the world, others and the raising of consciousness.

For example rather than concentrating on ROI (return on investment) he would likely look at how his business could tackle worldly concerns and the need to evolve human health and awareness. Such as changing business model in advertising, investing more wisely etc.

Thats just my understanding.

[Aeris]

his ego would backslash too hard before he even catch the tail of the ox.

unless his business is already helping the world.

business in itself it not devilry, if it's a honest & authentic business, what 95% of business are not though.

[Jacobsrw]

@Aeris although organisations can have reformations. A conscious being if powerful enough can have their aura proliferate to the surrounding beings lost in unconscious behaviour.

[Forestluv]

@Aldo There would be enlightened presence revealed within the stage Orange businessman. Yet he still has the same human form with the same conditioned mind and body. The same neural pathways in his brain. His interests and desires may change a lot or not much at all. It’s not like he would suddenly undergo 20 years of development, integration and maturity to stage Turquoise.. . Awakening is along the vertical axis of Now. SD stages are along a horizontal axis of development over time.

And the person doesn’t get enlightened. The personality construct is illusory. There is no thing called a “person” to get enlightened. From the perspective of personal self preservation, enlightenment is personal death. 

[Leo Gura]

Sam Harris is a good real world example of what happens when a stage Orange person has some mystical/nondual experiences.

It's not all that deep. Rather surface level spirituality. But still better than nothing. At least he advocates for meditation. But he does not understand the full depth of this work.

There are many degrees of wokeness.

[Gili Trawangan]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sam Harris is a good real world example of what happens when a stage Orange person has some mystical/nondual experiences.

It's not all that deep. Rather surface level spirituality. But still better than nothing. At least he advocates for meditation. But he does not understand the full depth of this work.

There are many degrees of wokeness.

@Leo Gura I think Sam Harris understands more than he lets on... I've heard him say that consciousness is the only thing that we can be sure of. He has spoken of experiences of merging with reality. But he has been against religion so publicly for so long that he is afraid of losing his reputation. I think he has unwittingly put himself in a very difficult position.

[kieranperez]

9 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

But he has been against religion so publicly for so long that he is afraid of losing his reputation. I think he has unwittingly put himself in a very difficult position.

I’ve thought about that too for sure. I definitely find that plausible. Or he may have just forsaken spirituality at this point. I think I recall him saying on a Rogan rapidly that he doesn’t meditate as much as he used to. However I could definitely be wrong. 

11 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

I think Sam Harris understands more than he lets on... I've heard him say that consciousness is the only thing that we can be sure of.

I honestly just get confused where he stands as a lot of his realizations he’s communicated in say Waking Up don’t mesh with the materialist paradigm he often is known for putting out. He’ll point out for example that consciousness is all there is in yet still seemingly operates under a materialist worldview and still sells the idea that consciousness is a by product of the brain. 

My only 2 hunches are:

1. His realizations just weren’t deep enough at all
2. He won’t walk back his prior assumptions and is just milking his audiences worldview for the sake of getting caught up in success.

I think it’s mostly likely the first one... also I want to give the benefit of the doubt and not just assume he’s some total con artist. 

[Leo Gura]

Sam Harris understands less than you think he does.

[Gili Trawangan]

3 hours ago, kieranperez said:

I honestly just get confused where he stands as a lot of his realizations he’s communicated in say Waking Up don’t mesh with the materialist paradigm he often is known for putting out

3 hours ago, kieranperez said:

 

This is precisely his problem. He's been a materialist very publicly for a long time and would lose his reputation if he went against that now.

I'm only speculating that he has had experiences that have shown him otherwise. I agree that if we only look at what he says publicly it makes no sense.

[noselfnofun]

Another example of this is Brain Rose form the podcast show London real, watch some of his early postdates to now 

[Chi_]

@Shiva yes and for the record, the world famous vipassana teacher S.N Goenka was also a business man before vipassana made him woke 

Edited June 5, 2019 by Chi_