why are we god trying to be human and not the opposite

[Apparition of Jack]

6 minutes ago, ColdFacts said:

You have a point there i can't just dismiss what you are saying without any proof and you're quite open minded i must admit, but to be on the safe side i would have to know more about you, before i tell you things like that. Also what makes you sure i have any truth?

I have sent you a PM since this conversation is getting too long for the public forum.

[mandyjw]

9 minutes ago, ColdFacts said:

I totally would aim awakening if i owned the concept of it.

That's just it, you do own the concept of it because you are God. But you can't aim to awaken because it's something that happens to you. 

Telling someone to awaken is like telling them to sneeze. Right now. Sneeze.

[ColdFacts]

2 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

That's just it, you do own the concept of it because you are God. But you can't aim to awaken because it's something that happens to you. 

Telling someone to awaken is like telling them to sneeze. Right now. Sneeze.

If i don't have ownership i don't even have to sneeze to have it.

[ajasatya]

5 minutes ago, ColdFacts said:

I totally would aim awakening if i owned the concept of it.

You're a very intelligent person, but intellect may also be your enemy for enlightenment work. Maybe it's not for you just yet.

[ColdFacts]

3 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

You're a very intelligent person, but intellect may also be your enemy for enlightenment work. Maybe it's not for you just yet.

It takes one to recognize one if i am such. Yeah, who knows...

[Shin]

You need to be highly intuitive and see beyond the words.

Being "smart" as it usually is portrayed isn't gonna help
if you cling to the concepts instead of using them to see what they are pointing to.

Being "smart" can be your worst ennemy here as Ajasatya pointing out
Because that mean your intellect can bullshit itself to an infinite degree

Edited June 3, 2019 by Shin

[Aeris]

1 hour ago, Shaun said:

The darkest truth of all is that you will experience EVERYTHING. Every lottery win, newborn baby, first kiss. You will also know what it's like to die from cancer, murder people and suffocate to death in a coal mine collapse having mined coal your entire life. Nobody will even know who you were. Even if you do awaken, the cycle will be started again right from the beginning. There is no escape.

this is a delusion

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Shaun said:

The darkest truth of all is that you will experience EVERYTHING. Every lottery win, newborn baby, first kiss. You will also know what it's like to die from cancer, murder people and suffocate to death in a coal mine collapse having mined coal your entire life. Nobody will even know who you were. Even if you do awaken, the cycle will be started again right from the beginning. There is no escape.

This is a reference to Shaun’s thoughts. 

Not any actuality of the content referred to. 

 

[zeroISinfinity]

1 hour ago, Shaun said:

The darkest truth of all is that you will experience EVERYTHING. Every lottery win, newborn baby, first kiss. You will also know what it's like to die from cancer, murder people and suffocate to death in a coal mine collapse having mined coal your entire life. Nobody will even know who you were. Even if you do awaken, the cycle will be started again right from the beginning. There is no escape.

How do you know that? You heard from Leo and accepted it as beleif. 

You are God, You can't experience something you are not. 

Life is your reflection. Want to be devil go and suffer those things. 

[zeroISinfinity]

@Shaun Ok Will use harsh example but if you are not ok with seeing kid raped before your eyes or accepting death of your form you Will not get enlightened. 

But I guess you passed point of no return. Lost in world inside mirror. Time to come back home. 

You as God do not need life of Shaun at all. 

What you are really doing is pure masturbation. Game of how "amazing  I am". 

Edited June 3, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[mandyjw]

"Do not say that I'll depart tomorrow
because even today I still arrive.

Look deeply: I arrive in every second
to be a bud on a spring branch,
to be a tiny bird, with wings still fragile,
learning to sing in my new nest,
to be a caterpillar in the heart of a flower,
to be a jewel hiding itself in a stone.

I still arrive, in order to laugh and to cry,
in order to fear and to hope.
The rhythm of my heart is the birth and
death of all that are alive.

I am the mayfly metamorphosing on the surface of the river,
and I am the bird which, when spring comes, arrives in time
to eat the mayfly.

"I am the frog swimming happily in the clear pond,
and I am also the grass-snake who, approaching in silence,
feeds itself on the frog.

I am the child in Uganda, all skin and bones,
my legs as thin as bamboo sticks,
and I am the arms merchant, selling deadly weapons to Uganda.

I am the twelve-year-old girl, refugee on a small boat,
who throws herself into the ocean after being raped by a sea pirate,
and I am the pirate, my heart not yet capable of seeing and loving.

I am a member of the politburo, with plenty of power in my hands,
and I am the man who has to pay his "debt of blood" to, my people,
dying slowly in a forced labor camp.

My joy is like spring, so warm it makes flowers bloom in all walks of life.
My pain is like a river of tears, so full it fills the four oceans.

Please call me by my true names,
so I can hear all my cries and laughs at once,
so I can see that my joy and pain are one.

Please call me by my true names,
so I can wake up,
and so the door of my heart can be left open,
the door of compassion."

Thich Nhat Hanh

[Shaun]

37 minutes ago, Aeris said:

this is a delusion

Good, I really hope so because that's what Leo preaches in the radical implications of oneness video.

[zeroISinfinity]

@mandyjw Very nice it is true. 

12 minutes ago, Shaun said:

Good, I really hope so because that's what Leo preaches in the radical implications of oneness video.

What is disturb ed with that video is your ego. It got totally exposed."I want" "I do not want". Me me me. 

That me dies never existed in first place. It is the reason of all your suffering. You created your own hell. On the other hand Being can't die. 

Me-conditional Love 

Being-uncoditional Love

Edited June 3, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[whoareyou]

4 hours ago, Shaun said:

The darkest truth of all is that you will experience EVERYTHING. Every lottery win, newborn baby, first kiss. You will also know what it's like to die from cancer, murder people and suffocate to death in a coal mine collapse having mined coal your entire life. Nobody will even know who you were. Even if you do awaken, the cycle will be started again right from the beginning. There is no escape.

This is a belief, you can't possibly know this to be true. Don't take anything blindly what someone says, even from Leo

[zeroISinfinity]

10 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

What's important to understand is that it's not the ego you, the person, the separate self who experience all those things. 

It's the untouchable impersonal no-thing Consciousness which has no agenda.

Oh there is a You inside. Not personal not impersonal rather Total. Forever expanding infinite Absolute. 

Edited June 3, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[Shaun]

17 hours ago, mandyjw said:

"Do not say that I'll depart tomorrow
because even today I still arrive.

Look deeply: I arrive in every second
to be a bud on a spring branch,
to be a tiny bird, with wings still fragile,
learning to sing in my new nest,
to be a caterpillar in the heart of a flower,
to be a jewel hiding itself in a stone.

I still arrive, in order to laugh and to cry,
in order to fear and to hope.
The rhythm of my heart is the birth and
death of all that are alive.

I am the mayfly metamorphosing on the surface of the river,
and I am the bird which, when spring comes, arrives in time
to eat the mayfly.

"I am the frog swimming happily in the clear pond,
and I am also the grass-snake who, approaching in silence,
feeds itself on the frog.

I am the child in Uganda, all skin and bones,
my legs as thin as bamboo sticks,
and I am the arms merchant, selling deadly weapons to Uganda.

I am the twelve-year-old girl, refugee on a small boat,
who throws herself into the ocean after being raped by a sea pirate,
and I am the pirate, my heart not yet capable of seeing and loving.

I am a member of the politburo, with plenty of power in my hands,
and I am the man who has to pay his "debt of blood" to, my people,
dying slowly in a forced labor camp.

My joy is like spring, so warm it makes flowers bloom in all walks of life.
My pain is like a river of tears, so full it fills the four oceans.

Please call me by my true names,
so I can hear all my cries and laughs at once,
so I can see that my joy and pain are one.

Please call me by my true names,
so I can wake up,
and so the door of my heart can be left open,
the door of compassion."

Thich Nhat Hanh

Reading that nearly moved me to tears, something which hasn't happened in a very long time. It is beautiful and terrifying.

[mandyjw]

1 hour ago, Shaun said:

Reading that nearly moved me to tears, something which hasn't happened in a very long time. It is beautiful and terrifying.

 Right before Leo's episode came out when he first started talking about how we will experience everything, I heard a Pema Chodron teaching on this poem. It was such a realization and taught in such a gentle way that I was primed to hear Leo's message before it was delivered. I felt that Leo's delivery was still incredibly harsh but if I hadn't heard this taught beforehand I don't know if I ever would have accepted it. To me it's a certain wholeness and compassion rather than a literal idea that we will literally experience everything. It's like having the essence or acknowledging your capability of an experience within rather than any prediction of an actual experience. 

I can try to find that Pema Chodron recording if you'd like? 

 

[Shaun]

58 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

 Right before Leo's episode came out when he first started talking about how we will experience everything, I heard a Pema Chodron teaching on this poem. It was such a realization and taught in such a gentle way that I was primed to hear Leo's message before it was delivered. I felt that Leo's delivery was still incredibly harsh but if I hadn't heard this taught beforehand I don't know if I ever would have accepted it. To me it's a certain wholeness and compassion rather than a literal idea that we will literally experience everything. It's like having the essence or acknowledging your capability of an experience within rather than any prediction of an actual experience. 

I can try to find that Pema Chodron recording if you'd like? 

 

Yes, I'd love to hear it, thanks.