why are we god trying to be human and not the opposite

[ColdFacts]

4 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

How would you deal with the paradox if both options you mentioned were correct?

I think this is key. There's something that bothers your ego structure. Have you ever had an experience of no-mind? Have you ever been to a retreat or taken psychedelics?

It's not a paradox, because it is correct you just don't know. Obviously is bothers my view of reality, for me reality is ordered and fair at the very least, not something that plays along with the desires of humans.

EDIT: i meant that religion is logical paradox. What you meant can't be correct because one is exists if the other doesnt

Edited June 3, 2019 by ColdFacts

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, ColdFacts said:

It's not a paradox, because it is correct you just don't know. Obviously is bothers my view of reality, for me reality is ordered and fair at the very least, not something that plays along with the desires of humans.

Who says reality needs to be ordered and fair? Chaos is an intrinsic part of our existence, even modern physics corroborates this. It's ironic that you deride desire so much when your view of reality being entirely "ordered" and "fair" is just that, a desire.

[ColdFacts]

Just now, Apparation of Jack said:

Who says reality needs to be ordered and fair? Chaos is an intrinsic part of our existence, even modern physics corroborates this. It's ironic that you deride desire so much when your view of reality being entirely "ordered" and "fair" is just that, a desire.

Well of course it is my desire to see it that way, physics doesn't deny what it can't prove and that is the case so far. I have no problem admitting that my desire and personal view is making claims and i have fine reasons for each of my desires for everyone to know.

[Apparition of Jack]

2 minutes ago, ColdFacts said:

Well of course it is my desire to see it that way, physics doesn't deny what it can't prove and that is the case so far. I have no problem admitting that my desire and personal view is making claims and i have fine reasons for each of my desires for everyone to know.

So you're upset that people use desire as a reason to hold their views, then freely admit that you do exactly that? I'm confused.

Edited June 3, 2019 by Apparation of Jack

[ColdFacts]

Just now, Apparation of Jack said:

So you're upset that people use desire as a reason to hold their views, then freely admit that you do exactly that? I'm confused.

No that is not my point, the problem is that people hide the true reason/desires to themselves and others and exploit or change other things to make up for their weakness.

[Bluff]

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12 minutes ago, ColdFacts said:

C'mon we are not playing the definitions game.

This is exactly what you are doing by differentiate between human and God and be following the classic religions. 

You have to have a direct experience of what you want to know. Don't investigate to much time into understanding it logically. Go meditate! 

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, ColdFacts said:

No that is not my point, the problem is that people hide the true reason/desires to themselves and others and exploit or change other things to make up for their weakness.

This is a rather incoherent chain of thought to be honest. What "other things" do people change to make up for their weakness?

[ColdFacts]

5 minutes ago, Apparation of Jack said:

This is a rather incoherent chain of thought to be honest. What "other things" do people change to make up for their weakness?

They really don't want to know that.

[Apparition of Jack]

They really don't want to know what? You need to be clearer here.

[Leo Gura]

@ColdFacts What you have to wonder is how does a human come into existence at all? You are taking this completely for granted.

A human simply cannot be at all unless as God pretending to be a human. God has to play stupid so to speak because there is and never could be an actual material reality.

Creation is imagination and illusion.

Your deeper issue is that you are not doing serious self-inquiry so you are not conscious that you are God. This problem cannot be solved for you in any other way but to awaken. You will NEVER figure it out mentally as you are trying to do. All your reasoning will be wrong and irrelevant. So do the practices! This is not a matter of philosophy.

[ColdFacts]

Just now, Apparation of Jack said:

They really don't want to know what? You need to be clearer here.

At this moment we are to another problem with religion and that is telling them things beyond a certain point. I could do that in a way that you can follow but that is a major problem, this is also the reason why books are in riddles and encrypted, basically you'd need to prove to me that you can handle that stuff otherwise i would be guilty or telling you something that is bad for you.

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, ColdFacts said:

At this moment we are to another problem with religion and that is telling them things beyond a certain point. I could do that in a way that you can follow but that is a major problem, this is also the reason why books are in riddles and encrypted, basically you'd need to prove to me that you can handle that stuff otherwise i would be guilty or telling you something that is bad for you.

I can handle whichever truth you throw at me.

[ColdFacts]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@ColdFacts What you have to wonder is how does a human come into existence at all? You are taking this completely for granted.

A human simply cannot be at all unless as God pretending to be a human. God has to play stupid so to speak because there is and never could be an actual material reality.

I have taken that into account, and it's the exact place after i die, it is not nothing it is not anything, it is a undefined state which can be anything or nothing, but i can't describe it in any way possible from the manifestation part or point of view which is the point between those two. Anything that you say about those beginning and endings can't be coming from something in between, you just don't know even not knowing is putting it in a box.

[Leo Gura]

@ColdFacts You cannot get the result of awakening without awakening.

The solution to your questions is to awaken.

Do it. Don't talk about it.

[ColdFacts]

2 minutes ago, Apparation of Jack said:

I can handle whichever truth you throw at me.

I can not handle you not handling it, and i can tell when i see someone who can handle it. 

[ColdFacts]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@ColdFacts You cannot get the result of awakening without awakening.

The solution to your questions is to awaken.

Do it. Don't talk about it.

I totally would aim awakening if i owned the concept of it.

[Apparition of Jack]

3 minutes ago, ColdFacts said:

I can not handle you not handling it, and i can tell when i see someone who can handle it. 

I guarantee you I have faced truths much darker than whatever you can throw at me. Try me.

[ColdFacts]

Just now, Apparation of Jack said:

I guarantee you I have faced truths much darker than whatever you can throw at me. Try me.

You have a point there i can't just dismiss what you are saying without any proof and you're quite open minded i must admit, but to be on the safe side i would have to know more about you, before i tell you things like that. Also what makes you sure i have any truth?

[Shaun]

5 minutes ago, ColdFacts said:

You have a point there i can't just dismiss what you are saying without any proof and you're quite open minded i must admit, but to be on the safe side i would have to know more about you, before i tell you things like that. Also what makes you sure i have any truth?

The darkest truth of all is that you will experience EVERYTHING. Every lottery win, newborn baby, first kiss. You will also know what it's like to die from cancer, murder people and suffocate to death in a coal mine collapse having mined coal your entire life. Nobody will even know who you were. Even if you do awaken, the cycle will be started again right from the beginning. There is no escape.

Edited June 3, 2019 by Shaun

[ColdFacts]

2 minutes ago, Shaun said:

The darkest truth of all is that you will experience EVERYTHING. Every lottery win, newborn baby, first kiss. You will also know what it's like to die from cancer, murder people and suffocate to death in a coal mine collapse having mined coal your entire life. Nobody will even know who you were. Even if you do awaken, the cycle will be started again right from the beginning. There is no escape.

That's exactly what mortals fear.