Will vs free will

[Shadowraix]

@Truth Addict Depends on the model or part of it. Some of it is for truths sake, others have more practical applications. 

[Truth Addict]

49 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

@Truth Addict Depends on the model or part of it. Some of it is for truths sake, others have more practical applications. 

Well, if we don't have that specific model in mind, we will just have another. You see the problem here? We can either have myopic models or very accurate ones.

Some benefits of no free will:

• No blame for oneself or other.
• No regrets, worries, fears.
• No need for stress, struggle, manipulation.
• Surrendering to reality with/without suffering.
• Forgiveness of the past, peace with the present moment, openness to the future.
• I think most importantly is living without neuroses.

Edited June 4, 2019 by Truth Addict

[Shadowraix]

1 hour ago, Truth Addict said:

Well, if we don't have that specific model in mind, we will just have another. You see the problem here? We can either have myopic models or very accurate ones.

Some benefits of no free will:

• No blame for oneself or other.
• No regrets, worries, fears.
• No need for stress, struggle, manipulation.
• Surrendering to reality with/without suffering.
• Forgiveness of the past, peace with the present moment, openness to the future.
• I think most importantly is living without neuroses.

Even if you do have free will you can do all that. The no free will thing is just an easy escape for people to not take responsibility. 

Using No free will as an idea or model to not be neurotic seems very neurotic. It doesn't actually tackle the root problems. 

That aside the answer will always be free will and no free will simultaneously. 

Edited June 4, 2019 by Shadowraix

[Truth Addict]

@Shadowraix

We're talking about discovering truth here, not taking it for granted.

I'm sorry, but from what you've written, it seems to me like you haven't yet discovered no free will vs free will for yourself, but rather have read it somewhere and liked the idea. Which is not to say that it's a problem of course. But I don't think taken-for-granted-ideas will do anything here.
I could be wrong though.
However, no free will is just evident as the sun in plain sight. When no free will is realised fully, there will come the benefits I mentioned earlier without even trying, and much more, and without having to skip responsibility.
Keep in mind that most irresponsible people don't usually place no free will as their first/strongest arguments.

[DrewNows]

@Shadowraix @Truth Addict It’s all about putting thought in its place 

we can never know as the ego, simply depends how we perceive it 

[Shadowraix]

2 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

@Shadowraix

We're talking about discovering truth here, not taking it for granted.

I'm sorry, but from what you've written, it seems to me like you haven't yet discovered no free will vs free will for yourself, but rather have read it somewhere and liked the idea. Which is not to say that it's a problem of course. But I don't think taken-for-granted-ideas will do anything here.
I could be wrong though.
However, no free will is just evident as the sun in plain sight. When no free will is realised fully, there will come the benefits I mentioned earlier without even trying, and much more, and without having to skip responsibility.
Keep in mind that most irresponsible people don't usually place no free will as their first/strongest arguments.

I discovered my answer to the free will question way before I ever heard it from anybody. Even Leo. I'm not the first one to discover this answer. Which is why other people here and even Leo have answered roughly the same as me. To me it seems like you are still living by the duality of free will vs no free will and have not seen how they both fit into the picture, but that may be miscommunication.

But i don't really hold these models themselves as truth. They are just tools and will never truly represent truth. 

Im talking about free will as a model will not help you. If you've had deeper mystical experience to derive that model from then that experience can help you. And that's where debating it doesn't serve too much use in practical applications. 

Edited June 4, 2019 by Shadowraix