Just how infinite exactly?

[Shaun]

58 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Yea.. if you want to experience all kind of cool stuff and get deluded, then you finally can establish your delusion. Bam. Easy fix. Delusion in no time! Mmmm experience mmmm more awesome temporar experiences and cool sounding ideas.

When you don't understand, solution: take psychedelics, fry your brain, so you think you understand.

Okay, I've had enough of this stuff now. I wont be posting on this forum for a while. So, to mods: no need to ban me. I voluntarily take vacation from here, I suspend myself for a while. Thanks.

I am going to try it and see if what these people are on about is true.  I think Rupert Spira has the right idea, we are all just perspectives within an infinite mind or field of consciousness.

I don't really believe that my perspective and experience is literally all that there is.

[Shaun]

14 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

I understand. I did it too.

Here's what will happen: you will experience a bunch of cool stuff. And during the trip you might think you have figured out Reality, or that you realize truths. But after the trip, when sober, you will have to decide: was everything during the trip Truth or delusion?

I think the answer is: all of the experiences pass. That is the nature of experience. So experience cannot be trusted at all. Truth is prior to experience.

That's pretty much the size of it I think. All experience is subjective so proving the reality of an outside world or other experiences is impossible. The existence or non existence of other perspectives is just assumption.

[zeroISinfinity]

@Nahm Ox ?

Stop chasing me. I am human who lives average life. Enough is enough. Nobody gives 2 cents about me. Basic stuff go to school work retire die. 

[Nahm]

 You guys are hilarious. 

[Shin]

"My relative experience is more true than your relative experience !"

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Nahm said:

“It” is you, and you have never been, and can never be, two. Notice, you have only been one. 

Yes.  Everything is One.

There is no illusion. There is no collapse

Really? Then what are you as your ego?.

There is no other, no “absolute” to reference. 

You are only speaking from Being.  Form and duality are a necessity that you are completely missing.

There is no other ‘highest perspective’. 

Then what is your perspective as the ego?

There is not a here. Nor an All.

Again, you are limiting infinity.  Your not seeing the  whole picture.

Form is not an illusion, form is a thought

Reality is a Giant mind.  Its substance is nothing.  Conscioisness is made of nothing..so everything is a thought that is form.

God is you. You do not need anything to know yourself

Awakening is becoming conscious that you are God.  You always were but you forgot.

“God needs humans to know itself”....is a sneaky means of perpetuating the idea of duality, and separatism. Well intentioned though. ??

God uses dualities to explore itself. Not just humans but all form.  Even your coffee table.  This is hard to grasp without Awakening.

The only thing you can not do, is not be you. 

Yes you as big self.  But small self can and will dissolve.

 

 

 

 

[Nahm]

 

“It” is you, and you have never been, and can never be, two. Notice, you have only been one. 

Yes.  Everything is One.

There is no illusion. There is no collapse

Really? Then what are you as your ego?.

    You. 

 

There is no other, no “absolute” to reference. 

You are only speaking from Being.  Form and duality are a necessity that you are completely missing.

    Can you explain a little, how form and duality are a necessity. Maybe some examples. 

 

There is no other ‘highest perspective’. 

Then what is your perspective as the ego?

    I don’t know. 

 

There is not a here. Nor an All.

Again, you are limiting infinity.  Your not seeing the  whole picture.

     What is the limiting nature of that comment?  Could you give examples of here and all? 

 

Form is not an illusion, form is a thought

Reality is a Giant mind.  Its substance is nothing.  Conscioisness is made of nothing..so everything is a thought that is form.

     “Form” is a dualistic thought (“Formless”). There is no Absolute thought....aka “Not Knowing”. Look at your hand, and notice hand is a thought, likewise, form is a thought. 

 

God is you. You do not need anything to know yourself

Awakening is becoming conscious that you are God.  You always were but you forgot.

     Where you ever not you?

“God needs humans to know itself”....is a sneaky means of perpetuating the idea of duality, and separatism. Well intentioned though. ??

God uses dualities to explore itself. Not just humans but all form.  Even your coffee table.  This is hard to grasp without Awakening.

    Nothing, Infinite Intelligence, Nothing to know, Nothing to explore. There is nothing - nothing that can become known by exploration, whatever that would be, is already infinite consciousness. Dualities are not things used, they’re dualities, unrecognition of self. What is an example of a second thing which is not you? Infinity dualistically interpreted allows “uses”, “explore”, “form”. Who is something hard to grasp for? Who awakens? 

The only thing you can not do, is not be you. 

Yes you as big self.  But small self can and will dissolve.

You are two selves? 

   ♥️??

 

[Inliytened1]

30 minutes ago, Nahm said:

 

“It” is you, and you have never been, and can never be, two. Notice, you have only been one. 

Yes.  Everything is One.

There is no illusion. There is no collapse

Really? Then what are you as your ego?.

    You. 

You can discover that you as the ego is an idea.  Your true Nature is God.

There is no other, no “absolute” to reference. 

You are only speaking from Being.  Form and duality are a necessity that you are completely missing.

    Can you explain a little, how form and duality are a necessity. Maybe some examples. 

Sure.  Being is pure potential.  It is all possibilities which includes no possibilities.  It is everything and nothing.  It is all that ever happened, and never happened superimposed on top of each other.  It is..quite simply..Infinity.

Infinity is infinitely intelligent - ultimately it will become unstable due to the need to limit itself.   It will want to limit itself to see what's it like and it to play through every possibility not just as Being but as creativity.   You, Nahm, are an example.

 

There is no other ‘highest perspective’. 

Then what is your perspective as the ego?

    I don’t know. 

 

There is not a here. Nor an All.

Again, you are limiting infinity.  Your not seeing the  whole picture.

     What is the limiting nature of that comment?  Could you give examples of here and all? 

What i described above.

Form is not an illusion, form is a thought

Reality is a Giant mind.  Its substance is nothing.  Conscioisness is made of nothing..so everything is a thought that is form.

     “Form” is a dualistic thought (“Formless”). There is no Absolute thought....aka “Not Knowing”. Look at your hand, and notice hand is a thought, likewise, form is a thought. 

Dont confuse the map for the territory.  Your confusing the thought of form for form itself...for Infinity itself. 

 

God is you. You do not need anything to know yourself

Awakening is becoming conscious that you are God.  You always were but you forgot.

     Where you ever not you? 

No..but but you can wake up to yourself and be conscious of what you always were.  

“God needs humans to know itself”....is a sneaky means of perpetuating the idea of duality, and separatism. Well intentioned though. ??

God uses dualities to explore itself. Not just humans but all form.  Even your coffee table.  This is hard to grasp without Awakening.

    Nothing, Infinite Intelligence, Nothing to know, Nothing to explore. There is nothing - nothing that can become known by exploration, whatever that would be, is already infinite consciousness. Dualities are not things used, they’re dualities, unrecognition of self. What is an example of a second thing which is not you? Infinity dualistically interpreted allows “uses”, “explore”, “form”. Who is something hard to grasp for? Who awakens? 

Yes.. but see comments above.

The only thing you can not do, is not be you. 

Yes you as big self.  But small self can and will dissolve.

You are two selves? 

There is the illusion of the ego.  

   ♥️??

 

7 hours ago, Nahm said:

 

 

 

 

 

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

It” is you, and you have never been, and can never be, two. Notice, you have only been one. 

Yes.  Everything is One.

There is no illusion. There is no collapse

Really? Then what are you as your ego?.

    You. 

You can discover that you as the ego is an idea.  Your true Nature is God.

Precisely. You. Just the one.  ?

 

There is no other, no “absolute” to reference. 

You are only speaking from Being.  Form and duality are a necessity that you are completely missing.

You can’t miss you. Lol. ♥️

    Can you explain a little, how form and duality are a necessity. Maybe some examples. 

Sure.  Being is pure potential.  It is all possibilities which includes no possibilities.  It is everything and nothing.  It is all that ever happened, and never happened superimposed on top of each other.  It is..quite simply..Infinity.

Form & duality are thoughts, in actuality, being, you. Nondual; not two, not a list of dualities.      Infinity.    You.

What is “on top of each other”? Two things?  One on top of the other?     You. Being. Infinity. One. 

Form and duality are regular ol’ thoughts. There’s no distinction from you, sans a thought.

 

Infinity is infinitely intelligent - ultimately it will become unstable due to the need to limit itself.   

Infinite intelligence has needs? What is the second thing, or other anything, which is needed? 

Infinite intelligence is “unstable”?   What ‘happens’ when infinity, you,  “becomes unstable”?  

  (Why’s, reason, catalysts, stable / unstable, limit / unlimited, me / it... are all dualitys, traditional thought, not actual). 

 

It will want to limit itself to see what's it like and it to play through every possibility not just as Being but as creativity.   You, Nahm, are an example.

“It”? Who references an - “it”?  You are already “it”.

What need has infinite intelligence to want, or see? There is not a ‘thing’ that is not infinite intelligence to want or see. There is only you. 

Everything & nothing are duality linguistically, ‘they’ are not “two”. Only linguistically & in thought. Without thought....you. 

Still you. 

“Nahm” is a thought, actuality, ...you. 

 

There is no other ‘highest perspective’. 

Then what is your perspective as the ego?

    I don’t know. 

 

There is not a here. Nor an All.

Again, you are limiting infinity.  Your not seeing the  whole picture.

     What is the limiting nature of that comment?  Could you give examples of here and all? 

What i described above.

Limiting infinity in actuality is not a possibility. You are you. You can not not be you, and you = infinity. “Here” & “All” are regular dualistic thoughts. 

 

Form is not an illusion, form is a thought

Reality is a Giant mind.  Its substance is nothing.  Conscioisness is made of nothing..so everything is a thought that is form.

     “Form” is a dualistic thought (“Formless”). There is no Absolute thought....“Not Knowing” / Nothing to know. Look at your hand, and notice hand is a thought, likewise, form is a thought. 

Dont confuse the map for the territory.  Your confusing the thought of form for form itself...for Infinity itself. 

Map = territory. Territory = map. (You)

 

God is you. You do not need anything to know yourself

Awakening is becoming conscious that you are God.  You always were but you forgot.

     Where you ever not you? 

No..but but you can wake up to yourself and be conscious of what you always were.  

Yes. Still same you. ?

 

“God needs humans to know itself”....is a sneaky means of perpetuating the idea of duality, and separatism. Well intentioned though. ??

God uses dualities to explore itself. Not just humans but all form.  Even your coffee table.  This is hard to grasp without Awakening.

    Nothing, Infinite Intelligence, Nothing to know, Nothing to explore. There is nothing - nothing that can become known by exploration, whatever that would be, is already infinite consciousness. Dualities are not things used, they’re dualities, unrecognition of self. What is an example of a second thing which is not you? Infinity dualistically interpreted allows “uses”, “explore”, “form”. Who is something hard to grasp for? Who awakens? 

Yes.. but see comments above.

You may awaken to knowing self (as opposed to “form”, “coffee table”, etc)   It’s you. Not the thought coffee table, or the thought form,    You. 

 

The only thing you can not do, is not be you. 

Yes you as big self.  But small self can and will dissolve.

You are two selves? 

There is the illusion of the ego.  

You. 

 

[Inliytened1]

@Nahm this is deep stuff.  You are never wrong when you speak from the non-dual perspective.  I'm simply pointing out that we shouldn't ignore duality.  Part of infinity is, believe it or not, limitations.  Form is limitation.  

[Nahm]

@Inliytened1 Absolutely! I believe we have securely reached infinite humor here. This could go on infinity. ♥️

[Inliytened1]

@Nahm indeed