Just how infinite exactly?

[Nahm]

1 minute ago, Shaun said:

There is absolutely no other way for me to know anything other than through sense perceptions and thought.

Might seem insignificant, but... do you know any “thing” “through” sense perception and thought......or do you actually only know the sensation itself, and the perception itself? 

Awareness or consciousness is the only thing that is none of these.

How do you know awareness / consciousness is a “thing”, and how do you know that “it” is “none of these”? 

I can't focus my attention on it because it has no qualities yet it is so evident to me. Still, I feel separate from everything else. It's absurd.

What is the feeling of separation? Can you isolate / describe that particular sensation?  Not a thought story about it, but the actual sensation. 

 

[Nahm]

@Inliytened1 But if there is infinity, how could it include anything else? Wouldn't that imply there is something to be included? (See where this is headed?)

[Inliytened1]

@Nahm From infinity's perspective yes..all is included..there is nothing outside of it.  

But I'm saying that in order for the movie to play out Infinity must collapse itself into finite parts. So from the part's perspective he only sees his part.  Otherwise he couldn't be his part.  Thats what being finite is.

Yet infinity is still infinity whether its playing out in parts or whether its acting as the whole thing.

Just depends on from which perspective you take is what you get.  Beautiful. 

[Shaun]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Nahm your still Infinity  infinity includes dualities within it.  It includes all the finitudes, of which you are one.  As any form is finite.  

Duality is within non-duality.

 But they are identical as One 

So he's being Infinite right now.

I still don't get why Leo tells us in self inquiry to notice that there are no other people and that they are only imagined so we don't feel lonely. He tells me to see that what I am experiencing is absolutely all that there is, there is nothing behind the scenes and that's it. This is making self inquiry difficult for me because what if he might be wrong? I could end up, going totally insane and deluding myself into solipsism.

[Inliytened1]

@Shaun can you link that video because i don't recall that at all for his self inquiry stuff.  It may have been about their not being an objective world "out there" and you are confusing that.

[Nahm]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Nahm From infinity's perspective yes..all is included..there is nothing outside of it.  

But I'm saying that in order for the movie to play out Infinity must collapse itself into finite parts. So from the part's perspective he only sees his part.  Otherwise he couldn't be his part.  Thats what being finite is.

If there is actually a collapse, then there is actually a “part’s perspective”.

If only forgetting “occurs” and there is no actual collapse of infinity, but rather the appearance of collapse, then there is no actual “part’s perspective”. 

If the collapse is actual, then what is the actual collapse? 

If the “collapse” can not be described without the utilization of referencing “collapse”, perhaps this is because the collapse itself is illusory, because there is no parts perspective in actuality. 

Yet infinity is still infinity whether its playing out in parts or whether its acting as the whole thing.

That would imply “playing out in parts” is a thought, mistaken as actuality of “playing out in parts”.  That would also imply there couldn’t actually be a “whole thing”, but just infinity. 

Just depends on from which perspective you take is what you get. 

But....this would mean there are not two perspectives. 

Beautiful. 

Indeed! ??♥️

 

[Shaun]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Shaun can you link that video because i don't recall that at all for his self inquiry stuff.  It may have been about their not being an objective world "out there" and you are confusing that.

It's in the list of enlightenment exercises

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Sit comfortably and quietly, still your mind, and become aware of direct experience.

Try to think of another person, such as a loved one, parent, child, or spouse.

Make sure that the person you're thinking of isn't in the room with you.

Now, notice what they actually are: they are a thought!

Notice that what that person literally is, is an image arising in your mind. Nothing more.

Notice that you've never actually directly experienced anything other than your direct experience.

Become deeply conscious that other people do not exist.

Become so deeply conscious of this, that you feel alone in the universe.

There is no one here but you. You are all that's ever existed and will ever exist.

You are completely alone. You imagine others to make yourself feel connected.

When you see your loved ones face-to-face, you are STILL ALONE! That's you looking at your own direct experience. Nothing more.

 

[Nahm]

@Inliytened1 I am curious if you have the “something is coming” feeling. If so, can this be the theme? Particularly because it is meaningless yet kicks ass. Excellent job on the drum btw. The restraint paradoxically nails it. Well done. 

[Nahm]

39 minutes ago, Shaun said:

I still don't get why Leo tells us in self inquiry to notice that there are no other people and that they are only imagined so we don't feel lonely. He tells me to see that what I am experiencing is absolutely all that there is, there is nothing behind the scenes and that's it. This is making self inquiry difficult for me because what if he might be wrong? I could end up, going totally insane and deluding myself into solipsism.

This makes self inquiry easy, because it reduces decades of bullshit to the immediate need to see for your self. 

By sitting comfortably in a chair, and contemplating, you will not “go insane”. Notice, right now, that’s just a thought. Have a Good laugh about it for God sakes. Only what is sane has the possibility to reference what is not. You’re good. Relax. 

[Shin]

1 minute ago, Mikael89 said:

Sounds like forcing a concept into direct experience. Ridiculous. But that's just my opinion.

You're critizing everything

Or doubting everything

Except your opinions

Notice that

Edited June 2, 2019 by Shin

[Nahm]

@Shin Hard to doubt yourself within doubting yourself. 

@Mikael89 Stop believing opinions. Consider the difference between the Truth and an opinion, is one is not your opinion. 

[Shin]

28 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

So I could somehow magically know the Truth? I can't see how that would be possible.

You don't have to believe anything.

Not believing in anything doesn't mean it's not true, just that you don't know if it is true or not.

From what I can see, for you, either it's true or bullshit, that's not the way to go.

You need to be open minded, which means not taking anything you hear as a fact, which is the same as believing something without first hand experience

Not only that, but being open minded also means that when you don't necessarily believe in something, you still let the possibility of it to be true in your mind, until you verify it for yourself in your own experience (or not depending if the subject matter to you or not).

That's way different than either believing or not believing, because it's the same thing really.

In the first one you believe something is true, in the second you BELIEVE something is not true.

Both are still a position you take in your mind, that's still closed mindedness.

Edited June 2, 2019 by Shin

[Inliytened1]

@Nahm ahh... but its Infinity ..it can be dual (two) and non-dual (One) at the same time

It can do that!

Of course from the highest perspective no perspectives are required and all relativity collapses into Absolute.  Here all is One. 

So form is an illusion as you say.   All dualities collapse leaving only Isness.  But without the form God can't know himself through himself. 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Shaun]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Inliytened1 I am curious if you have the “something is coming” feeling. If so, can this be the theme? Particularly because it is meaningless yet kicks ass. Excellent job on the drum btw. The restraint paradoxically nails it. Well done. 

I also have the feeling that something big is coming, something far more significant and life changing than being abducted by aliens.

[Nahm]

55 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Nahm ahh... but its Infinity ..it can be dual (two) and non-dual (One) at the same time

It can do that!

Of course from the highest perspective no perspectives are required and all relativity collapses into Absolute.  Here all is One. 

So form is an illusion as you say.   All dualities collapse leaving only Isness.  But without the form God can't know himself through himself. 

 

 

“It” is you, and you have never been, and can never be, two. Notice, you have only been one. 

There is no illusion. There is no collapse.

There is no other, no “absolute” to reference. 

There is no other ‘highest perspective’. 

There is not a here. Nor an All. 

Form is not an illusion, form is a thought. 

God is you. You do not need anything to know yourself.

“God needs humans to know itself”....is a sneaky means of perpetuating the idea of duality, and separatism. Well intentioned though. ??

The only thing you can not do, is not be you. 

 

 

 

[Nahm]

There’s no missing an Apocolypse. 

[Shaun]

9 minutes ago, Nahm said:

“It” is you, and you have never been, and can never be, two. Notice, you have only been one. 

There is no illusion. There is no collapse.

There is no other, no “absolute” to reference. 

There is no other ‘highest perspective’. 

There is not a here. Nor an All. 

Form is not an illusion, form is a thought. 

God is you. You do not need anything to know yourself.

“God needs humans to know itself”....is a sneaky means of perpetuating the idea of duality, and separatism. Well intentioned though. ??

The only thing you can not do, is not be you. 

 

 

 

So basically when Leo talks about looking at reality and situations from different perspectives, he's talking shit? There is only my perspective as you say, so why bother? I just don't get it. 

Maybe a strong mushroom trip is the only way I'm ever going to see.

Edited June 2, 2019 by Shaun

[Nahm]

@Shaun why bother...what? 

[CreamCat]

So, jason bourne is real?

[Shaun]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

@Shaun why bother...what? 

Why bother looking at reality from other perspectives like Leo advises? There are no other perspectives, so that makes this activity pointless.